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AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by jeremyjh »

milesvp wrote: post #300
crazygringo wrote: post #252

No, AI isn't. Any new tech, or version upgrade, or whatever, takes time for people to become familiar with it. You might as well say "Stack Overflow is stifling new tech adoption" because brand-new stuff doesn't have many Q's and A's yet. But that would be a silly thing to say. I'm not going to adopt a brand-new database regardless of LLM training data cutoff, just because enough people haven't had enough experience…

Strong disagree here. I've been trying to learn Zig, and I'm thwarted enough by chatgpt giving me outdated information on Zig's unstable API that if I didn't have a strong incentive to learn it for it's cross compiler, I'd likely turn my efforts towards another language. This effect can greatly alter the adoption curve of a new tech, which can leave it dying on the vine. You're not wrong though, in that Stack Overflo…

Imagine a world without ChatGPT or Stack Overflow. Is it easier to build your Zig project in that world?

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Post by baq »

esafak wrote: post #295
benve wrote: post #196

I think this is true because I myself said to myself: "it is useless for me to create a library or abstraction for the developers of my project, much better to use everything verbose using the most popular libraries on the web". Until yesterday having an abstraction (or a better library/framework) could be very convenient to save time in writing a lot of code. Today if the code is mostly generated there is no need to…

> Maybe some product will become a hell with millions of lines of code that no one knows how to evolve and manage. That is exactly what will happen, so why would you do that?

On the other hand you should ask yourself why do you care? If you assume no human will ever read the code except in very extraordinary circumstances, why wouldn’t you do that?

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by Kye »

jonas21 wrote: post #243
spenvo wrote: post #158

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So ChatGPT seemingly guessed its purpose just from its name. Its name is CurrentKey Stats, and it inaccurately described it as an app that kept stats on the current keyboard keys you were pressing, so essentially a key logger, which is again completely wrong. I was actually somewhat hesitant to make this comment out of the fear that the next AI models will train on it and reinforce the false idea that that's what my…

You may be happy to learn that I just asked ChatGPT (the free tier that you can access without signing in) "What does the CurrentKey Stats app do?" and got this back: ---- CurrentKey Stats is a macOS application designed to enhance your productivity by offering detailed insights into your app usage and providing advanced management of your Mac's virtual desktops, known as "Spaces." Key Features: Time Tracking: Unlike…

The model and features available to it matters.

o1 says "I’m not aware of a widely recognized or universally known product called “CurrentKey Stats,” so it may not be a mainstream or highly publicized app. There are a few possibilities, though:" and then some guesses.

o3-mini is similar: "I couldn’t find any widely recognized information about an app specifically called CurrentKey Stats. It’s possible that:"

When I turn on its shiny new search capability, it correctly identifies and summarizes the app.

o3-mini-high, search turned off, asks for clarification.

Which means the default free 4o is quietly doing retrieval-augmented generation behind the scenes. I thought o3-mini would search if it didn't know the topic, but I might be misremembering.

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by amrocha »

janalsncm wrote: post #272

I’ve been out of web dev for a while, but maybe the problem is there’s a new framework every 6 months and instead of delivering value to the end user, developers are rewriting their app in whatever the new framework is.

Can you name a single web framework with wide adoption that was released in the last 6 months? I expect you to delete your comment if you can’t.

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by catapulted »

There is a counter example for this: MCP, a standard pushed by Anthropic, provides a long txt/MD optimized for Claude to be able to understand the protocol, which is very useful to bootstrap new plugins/servers that can be used as tools for LLMs. I found that fascinating and it works really well, and I was able to one-shot improve my CLInE extension (a coding agent similar to cursor.sh) to work with existing APIs/data.

It's so easy to bootstrap that even though the standard is a couple of months old, already has a few hundred (albeit probably low quality) implementations to adapt to different services.

- txt/markdown for LLMs: https://modelcontextprotocol.io/llms-full.txt

- server implementations: https://github.com/modelcontextprotocol/servers#-community-s...

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by yieldcrv »

Eh a cooldown period between the fanfare of a new thing and some battle testing before it gets added to the next AI’s training set is a good thing

the delay is like 8 months for now, thats fine

I think this is also great for some interview candidate assessments, you have new frameworks that AI can't answer questions about yet, and you can quiz a candidate on how well they are able to figure out how to use the new thing

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by Animats »

catapulted wrote: post #325

There is a counter example for this: MCP, a standard pushed by Anthropic, provides a long txt/MD optimized for Claude to be able to understand the protocol, which is very useful to bootstrap new plugins/servers that can be used as tools for LLMs. I found that fascinating and it works really well, and I was able to one-shot improve my CLInE extension (a coding agent similar to cursor.sh) to work with existing APIs/dat…

Now we're going to see sites specifically optimized to promote something to AIs. It's the new search engine optimization.

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by pphysch »

hypothesis wrote: post #238
pphysch wrote: post #176

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> In a world where AI is writing the code, who cares what libraries it is using? I don't really have to touch the code that much, I just need it to work. That's the future we're headed for, at lightning speed. This attitude works for write-and-forget workflows where the only thing that matters is whether it returns the answer you want (AKA "hacking it"). Once you add in other concerns: security, performance, maintain…

> Once you add in other concerns: security, performance, maintainability, it can fall apart. Does anyone care about that? E.g. CRWD is all time high, after all. There is zero need to change anything according to market.

> Does anyone care about that?

Yes

Re: AI is stifling new tech adoption?

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Post by palmotea »

hinkley wrote: post #309

I don’t like that this conclusion seems to be that if humans adopt every new technology before AI can train on it that their jobs will be more secure. That is its own kind of hell.

> I don’t like that this conclusion seems to be that if humans adopt every new technology before AI can train on it that their jobs will be more secure. That is its own kind of hell.

It's the hell we'll be forced into. The powers that be care not one whit for our well being or comfort. We have to duck and weave (or get smashed), while they "creatively" destroy.

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