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A Year of Telepathy

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Post by drawkward »

dennis_jeeves2 wrote: post #289
KaiserPro wrote: post #239

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> I'd say he slipped if he did do it I mean yeah, but he did it more than once, and it wasn't like it was an odd sort of wave, it was a full on parade standard Hitlergruß (thumpy on the chest hand out at the ascribed hitler angle). Which he then repeated to the audience in the front and the people behind him. Monty python use to do it all the time, as did a number of other comedies. but the important distinction is t…

I have to admit, if I had all the power in the world I'd be openly offending various groups. Although in bad taste, it serves as a test to weed out petty people. Further I'd be offering those groups a clean exit to from their own 'offenseless' society. Now coming to the democracy thing - I'm not sure it's the best form of governance as is commonly understood, so I personally don't value it. I don't imply that the opp…

>I have to admit, if I had all the power in the world I'd be openly offending various groups. Although in bad taste, it serves as a test to weed out petty people.

In this scenario, it is the people offended by the Nazi salute, and not the person doing it for outrage bait who are petty?

Brother, I have been accused of a lack of self-awareness, but man this is next level! In your own scenario you have all the power in the world; you dont ever have to weed out anyone, by definition.

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Post by twalla »

kragen wrote: post #161

I wonder how hard it would be for an LLM interpreting the neural signals to perform a convincing simulation of speaking for the paralyzed person while doing things they don't actually want, or after they've suffered a loss of mental function that leaves them not really wanting anything. Like the autism scandals surrounding Facilitated Communication. Not that I think that's what is going on currently. This Greg Egan s…

Highly recommend Diaspora by Greg Egan as well.

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Post by Der_Einzige »

sangnoir wrote: post #316
zensavona wrote: post #57

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Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs, sheep and other intelligent animals every day, who likely lived in just as bad conditions if not worse their whole lives leading up to them becoming food. I also eat meat, it just seems a bit ironic to me.

> Being concerned about animal testing seems pretty silly coming from people who likely eat pigs This is reductive and lacking any form of nuance. If I eat chicken, should I automatically be okay with heavily industrialized chicken farms, or even setting chickens alight for entertainment? Just because one evolved to be an omnivore doesn't mean one is okay with all forms of killing animals.

Yes, actually you DO endorse the creation of things when you purchase or use their services.

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Post by soVeryTired »

sdwr wrote: post #267
kragen wrote: post #161

I wonder how hard it would be for an LLM interpreting the neural signals to perform a convincing simulation of speaking for the paralyzed person while doing things they don't actually want, or after they've suffered a loss of mental function that leaves them not really wanting anything. Like the autism scandals surrounding Facilitated Communication. Not that I think that's what is going on currently. This Greg Egan s…

I liked the line > My parents were machines. My parents were gods. It was nothing special. I hated them. and how the story mixes adolescence and feeling special with philosophical ramifications (hinting that focusing on the philosophical ramifications is just an adolescent attempt at feeling special?) The narrator falls into the same trap at the end, assuming that he is the 1-in-a-million exception. He doesn't realiz…

I really enjoyed that read. Is it hinted that everyone has the experience though?

There's a week where the jewel and the brain are still paired, but the jewel is in control. The hospitals monitor that the two are similar to within tolerance, but somehow this jewel slips through the net. What makes you think there's more to it than the 'one in a million' explanation?

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Post by thrwthsnw »

bgnn wrote: post #318

Why brain implants? Did we exhaust cheaper human/machine interfaces, like voice control?

Listen to an interview with Noland to find out why. Unfortunately the patient with ALS can’t give an interview because he can no longer speak.

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Post by willturman »

goatlover wrote: post #211
zero_shift wrote: post #158

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He seems hostile to regulatory oversight which is a problem when he's selling a microchip you implant in your brain

Kind of like the chip from Lumen on Severance. I don't understand why anyone would want a chip placed in their brain, unless it's to help overcome a disability.

Diagnosed or otherwise.

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by kragen »

soVeryTired wrote: post #324
sdwr wrote: post #267

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I liked the line > My parents were machines. My parents were gods. It was nothing special. I hated them. and how the story mixes adolescence and feeling special with philosophical ramifications (hinting that focusing on the philosophical ramifications is just an adolescent attempt at feeling special?) The narrator falls into the same trap at the end, assuming that he is the 1-in-a-million exception. He doesn't realiz…

I really enjoyed that read. Is it hinted that everyone has the experience though? There's a week where the jewel and the brain are still paired, but the jewel is in control. The hospitals monitor that the two are similar to within tolerance, but somehow this jewel slips through the net. What makes you think there's more to it than the 'one in a million' explanation?

SPOILERS

Re: A Year of Telepathy

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Post by lanstin »

yreg wrote: post #313
diggan wrote: post #294

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I guess there are three "competing" ideas: - The ends justify the means - Meaning we could justify torture if it prevents terrorism for example. Some people would consider this fine, others not. - Some moral principles or duties have intrinsic value independent of their outcomes - For example, telling the truth might be considered right not because of its consequences, but because honesty itself is inherently valuabl…

I have just refused to answer in a different reply to you, but actually when you describe it like this, the third camp resonates with me the most. So I'm with you there. However, wouldn't most people say that? It is kind of a cop-out because it let's you decide on each moral dilemma in a case by case basis -> which I think is actually necessary since you can't say that ends justify/don't justify means blankly. Do you…

I believe in a true moral field that pervades reality, but I don't believe that "good" or "not good" can be expresssed in a finite sentence in some human understandable language. I believe the complexities require one to attend to the context as well as the action and so on. There's very few cases where I'd find it good to kill some human no matter the ends; but even just listening to someone patiently with attention instead of begging off due to being busy can be quite important to get right; these ordinary daily issues are where a clear feeling for the ends you live for and a feeling for your own actual physical limits on being patient or having enough energy for various tasks are useful. And I believe that two perspectives I find very useful are missing from many moral analyses: 1) my decisions change who I am, so the reason not to murder is not a strictly utilitarian balancing of the person's likely future actions, but also includes the change to my habits and tolerances, and 2) in the prisoner's dilemma, there is nothing that special about me being me - I could as easily be someone else, so when I am deciding I am picking between a world where x% of people make choice "cooperate" or x% of people make choice "defect."

This latter approach also extends very nicely to probabilistic methods - if I pass garbage on the beach, I can pick it up with probability Y%, and adjust Y so that if most a lot of people make the same choice, then all the garbage will be picked up.

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Post by Daz1 »

ArlenBales wrote: post #271
fliglr wrote: post #234

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Who cares. Do you want them to test on humans?

Give it time. Under President Musk it'll only be a matter of time until they invent a drug like the one used by Dr Cortazar's group in The Vital Abyss, eschewing ethics for scientific progression. I wouldn't be surprised if half the scientists under Musk's companies jump at the chance to use it, considering they still work for him while he dismantles American democracy (so their ethics are already questionable).

Severe case of MDS

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Post by Schiendelman »

psb217 wrote: post #254
Schiendelman wrote: post #166

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Henry Ford was a Nazi. Jeff Bezos bought the Washington Post and drove it into the ground. I think basically any of the leaders who brought us the technology we are using today are cults of personality like this, we just forget about the ones that aren't contemporary. I have yet to see us grow without them.

If Henry Ford didn't exist, do you think no one would have tried mass manufacturing? If Jeff Bezos didn't exist, do you think no one would have scaled up an online store? These techno business overlord types occasionally nudge our timeline ahead by a few months, and are rewarded handsomely for it, but they've never produced some fundamental new insight or technology that leaps us forward in ways we wouldn't otherwise…

It doesn't matter what I think - it matters who actually delivers these things. And it's generally these guys.
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