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To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by everdrive »

amelius wrote: post #308
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

> Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. At least it doesn't steal your personal data like Smart TVs do.

Assuming this is sarcastic, since modern cars famously _do_ steal your data.

Re: To buy a Tesla Model 3, only to end up in hell

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Post by gambiting »

Daneel_ wrote: post #297
gambiting wrote: post #111

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>>(XC40 T8 EV). Such model doesn't exist. Do you mean XC60? And if so then it's not an EV, it's a PHEV. Anyway, Volvo made a collosal mistake of going with the Android Automotive operating system. It looks good but it's genuienly a pile of steaming crap. When Volvo had Sensus(their own OS) yeah it wasn't pretty but it was stable and it worked day in day out. I have a 2020 XC60 T8 with sensus and I literally have had…

As an owner of a 2020 V90CC (which was the last of the Sensus models), I have to disagree. I’m never buying another Volvo based purely on the terrible software experience that Sensus provides. Only being able to use half the screen for CarPlay, random crashes, features that simply don’t work, map updates that are permanently “installing”, blasting me with 1-2 seconds of radio at full volume at random when I’m playing…

Ha, it's funny how everyone has completely different experiences it seems. I've owned my XC60 for over 5 years not and literally genuienly had zero issues with this car - software or hardware wise. Never had a single software crash.

>>Only being able to use half the screen for CarPlay

I don't know, that just never really bothered me? I use the built-in satnav anyway since it's necessary for the hybrid system optimization to work.

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Post by hagbard_c »

lostlogin wrote: post #188
4ndrewl wrote: post #34

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"Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible.” Agree. OP should have just bought a 10yo Corolla.

They just don’t die. My 16 year old one seemed end of life 10 years ago and when I holed the sump, I was resigned to getting it wrecked. After driving it for a few months it didn’t die so I took it to a mechanic. I got told off for my dry sump technique and told not to do it again. It got a new pan and some oil, that was it. It’s done 5 or so years of light service since. It’s been stolen, carried masses of firewood,…

Next time just glue a piece of aluminium on the inside of the old sump with JB Weld or a similar type of heat-resistant epoxy. Been there done that after my wife holed a few too many sumps by driving her Skoda over overly high obstacles. The first time she did this I could follow her track in the tractor to where she parked the car for me to tow it homes, the other times were out in the bush - she's a veterinarian which takes her to places where roads are afterthoughts. I just swapped between sumps, repairing the freshly broken one in wait for another turn. That car has been sold and she has not yet managed to hole the current one but I know from experience this works just fine.

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Post by contravariant »

> Tilburg (Holland).

Try not to call them Hollanders, except possibly during national football matches. Tilburg is in an area of the Netherlands that has quite a strong regional identity (and that region is not Holland). You can call them Brabanders if you want to use the regional demonym.

Also that regional identity is going to be quite strong until carnaval has passed, should you visit any time soon.

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Post by graemep »

t43562 wrote: post #301
michaelt wrote: post #292

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> reducing the 70-odd computers to 3 or so. What are they even counting as a 'computer' to get to 70? I know that in the door there's going to be a microcontroller, to connect the buttons, the lock and the window motor to the CAN bus (or whatever it is they use these days). Is that a computer? Are they proposing to get rid of it?

Ideally yes because if the microcontrollers can be replaced by a central macro-controller computer you can then update it all more easily. You make the whole thing more software defined.

Which is the problem. A lot of separate micro controllers will probably never need an update. We have now had microcontrollers in cars for decades, and they almost all worked fine without updates. Its only recently, with the more software defined systems, that we have needed updates.

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Post by batch12 »

amelius wrote: post #308
tobyhinloopen wrote: post #20

I had similar experiences with a modern Volvo. (XC40 T8 EV). Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. It's like all those Single Page Applications on the web that are just downgrades over the classic Server-Side Rendered apps. Sure, you have more features, but at what cost? Reliability. I think the last generations of cars before the touch buttons and screens were the last "okay" generation. Somewhere in 2010s, al…

> Modern cars seem to be absolutely terrible. At least it doesn't steal your personal data like Smart TVs do.

Absolutely they do

https://www.abc.net.au/news/science/2024-10-09/car-brands-ar...

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Post by x187463 »

coldtea wrote: post #101
huijzer wrote: post #91

> On Sunday December 1, when I got home, I tried to update the Operating System again. No luck. Same problem again, the download hung halfway. This is a common problem. I also have a severe dislike of the Tesla updating process. I have the feeling that it's made for people who have a garage with 24/7 wifi. Without that, you're out of luck. In Okt and Dec of last year I have spent 4 hours per month on updating. This i…

> I also have a severe dislike of the Tesla updating process. There being an "updating process" is already a huge red flag for a car.

Every modern car has, at least, a media player interface. Why wouldn't you want to be able to update that software to support changes in CarPlay, modern apps, etc?

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Post by qOruaFG »

misja111 wrote: post #8

Tesla sales are plummeting all over the world currently, also in the US. But with Musk in the US government, I wonder how long it will take before there will be tariffs on foreign cars big enough to pretty much force US citizens to buy his Tesla's.

The tariffs are used partly to force foreign manufacturers to build factories in the US. So their IP and production lines are in the North American Technate.

Japan recently got the usual Trump pressure/blackmail of investing $1 trillion in the US.

Subsidies for Tesla would look pretty silly given that the Republicans have been criticizing the Democrats for that for the last 10 years. But YouTube influencers could rationalize even that.

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Post by ddalex »

rcMgD2BwE72F wrote: post #269
ddalex wrote: post #227

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Nothing fixes a badly designed chassis or poor geometry, no matter how much Tesla wants to pretend that they can fix the handling in software

What's badly designed in Tesla models? They're among the safest cars according to both IIHS and Euro NCAP.

The handling - the car understeers, every model I've driven (S, 3 and Y). I've not driven a X or truck (which I suspect have the same problem) or the Roadster (which I suspect doesn't since it's basically a Lotus with electric power train). An slight over steering car is far easier to drive.

I thought these are inherent in electric cars (because of the heavy batteries) until I've driven a Polestar which is super nicely balanced - almost the best handling consumer car I've driven since the Baby Benz (yeah I'm that old), so it can be done.

Tesla is aware of the problem and they tried to fix it with torque vectoring in some variants.

Sure, they will go well on a long stretch of straight highway, which is what americans care about, but it's a different story in curvy european roads.

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