My best dating apps lately have been Trader Joe's and Ducky's Car Wash. I wear aloha shirts every day, and nearly every time I go to TJ's, someone asks me where they can find a particular item. It may be a guy or a gal, but I am always happy to help a neighbor find what they need. That is not the reason I wear aloha shirts. I just love these shirts! Every spring I get the Cooke Street shirts at Costco, one of each ne…
Best dating advice I ever got was "get busy doing something you are good at and proud of, and you will attract someone who appreciates that". Apparently you are good at wearing aloha shirts and finding products. ¯ \ _ ( ツ ) _ / ¯
What really happens inside a dating app
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Re: What really happens inside a dating app
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What did you do to growth hack Tinder? Seems significantly harder than OkCupid as profiles aren't public and it's predicated on one-by-one swiping.
I'll talk about the things I'm willing to post publicly (feel free to email me for what I can only say in private). 1. Get the BEST possible pictures of you. If your picture doesn't look like the best picture you've taken all year, don't use it. Just know that online dating is more about being photogenic and looking good in the perceptions of others than actually looking good. However, if you're unattractive IRL, mak…
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
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No worries. My method worked and I am off the market.
But the method doesn't die with you. Now when someone gets a like it is meaningless.
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
#324Earlier quoted context omitted.
But the method doesn't die with you. Now when someone gets a like it is meaningless.
What's the alternative? Complain that you never get a match? The recommendation to only contact people you think are a perfect match and then send a customized message doesn't work.
The first time I joined a dating website I got a like from a person who I would have thought was way out of my league. I was really confused. Am I actually super hot and didn't know?
No. It's that EVERYONE on dating sites is playing this stupid game that wastes women's time. Some people are doing it with spamming likes, other people are doing it with more active gamification and pretending they have beliefs they don't actually hold. This is why most of the women left on dating apps are bots trying to direct you to their onlyfans.
If I didn't know the game men are playing, that first interaction and subsequent interactions on dating websites would have given me an inflated sense of importance, like, damn, maybe I've actually been dating below my league this whole time? I think that's where this article gets the impression that women only like 5% even if all the contenders shown are attractive.
Like seriously, I'm angry enough about this that I want dating apps to have something that's the opposite of a super like, where you can pay them money to penalize people not using the apps in a genuine manner.
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
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> These days, saying hi seems to be risky for more reasons than rejection. Maybe more so if you’re not good looking. Hence the apps Its actually not, and that so many guys believe that just leaves the field unguarded What women say online about not wanting to be approached practically anywhere is a vocal minority, and other women don't even see these conversations Positive interactions with men are not even categoriz…
Just walking up to a girl in person and saying "hi" is a nuanced thing. If you set off the creeper alarms at all you're DOA, so you need to have an aura of genuine chill and say hi to them in a way that seems completely casual and un-premeditated. Then you need to have them in a captive situation for a while to make some progress (standing in line, etc) and you need to come up with a reason to continue interacting wi…
Many women are pretty traumatized by the captive situation logic, because a lot of guys do that and its pretty obvious. Like a beggar on the street “asking a question” and you already know to ignore it but want to give the benefit of the doubt that its not about money
Manufacturing social integration is a deep but fairly simple topic that many people find attractive, but it nullifies the need to try to prolong an interaction with a woman and is pretty much the opposite. where essentially you’re too cool and have too much going on to entertain her. if you’re interested in women, plural, it doesnt have to be hard or a coveted thing with much work behind it. and you’re not putting her in a captive situation so your already ahead of the pack
honestly most attraction are gender neutral concepts that work with business partners and relationship partners a like
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
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Women complain about the poor quality of conversations they encounter We should do a study on that itself, because I think guys are having quality conversations, pulling teeth with an entitled beautiful woman they are prioritizing, and everyone else is waiting for the guy to lead and there is no bandwidth left! so guys spread themselves too thin to procedurally lead every new conversation after accumulating matches w…
“ Women complain about the poor quality of conversations they encounter” From my experience in online dating there are a lot of women who expect the guy to do everything. He needs to approach and then also carry the conversation. Out of maybe 10 initial messages I received from women there was maybe 1 that was more than “Hi”.
It was very validating to know that Bumble dropped their one unique value add because women were afraid to approach and werent doing it enough
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
#327The data here falls in line with the infamous OKcupid study (which got cancelled and taken down because men and women are identical, donchaknow?) The takeaway is that humans best date by meeting people in person through mutual acquaintances. Without the forced direct social interaction, women are only interested in the top 10% of guys, and guys are just aimlessly running at anything that moves regardless of their act…
There is nothing invalid about wanting casual sex. The problem is failing to communicate that that is what you want. The result of that problem is "players" of "the game" devolving the entire situation into something that is fundamentally intractable for everyone involved.
It turns out that a significant percentage of women do want casual sex. The overwhelming majority of those women also don't want to be exclusively objectified and used, because that leads to poor quality sex, and a general lack of post-sex aftercare (which is important groundwork for good next-time sex). This situation is nearly always expressed by women with the same overgeneralized story that paints every man who has ever interacted with her as an abusive narcissist. The problem is that a woman's desire for casual sex is overwhelmingly catered to by men who ignore this story, and most of those men do so by behaving (intentionally or not) as abusive narcissists. Why? Because the men who do listen to this story are left with no meaningful room to make a move.
We have too much narrative focus on women telling men "don't". Obviously that's an important discussion to have, it just needs to be accompanied by women telling men what to "do", and "how". Most men really need to hear everything a woman is concerned about, good and bad.
Dating apps have involved themselves in this problem by replacing dating itself with advertising. If a woman has a real conversation with a man, then there is real room for her to lay out positive interest. On the other hand, if a woman advertises her positive interests, then she is effectively asking for both constructive and harmful interaction. So very few women actually communicate (on a dating app) any interest other than a desire for committed romance. Those who do are overwhelmed with men who finally found what they are looking for. Those who don't are overwhelmed with men who just want to check behind the curtain.
If a man wants to advertise himself as a thoughtful listener, there is no meaningful way for him to prove he is genuine. If a man wants to advertise himself as the best compromise (who will give you lazy sex, but be hot enough to make up the difference), then he must compete with the rest on a scale of immediate attractiveness and nothing more.
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Like most of our social problems, the advertising model sits right at the heart of it. My answer to that is to do something about its foundation: eliminate (or significantly redesign) copyright.
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
#328Earlier quoted context omitted.
Most people (all sexes and genders) are bad at handling rejection, period. It’s why online dating is popular in general—a rejection over a digital medium is a lot less intimidating and less confrontational than the same in person.
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This is true, but from what I've seen it's not because women are particularly scared of rejection, it's because they use men's approaches as a filter. That is, they want men to be confident enough to approach them, and charismatic enough to do it well.
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
#329The data here falls in line with the infamous OKcupid study (which got cancelled and taken down because men and women are identical, donchaknow?) The takeaway is that humans best date by meeting people in person through mutual acquaintances. Without the forced direct social interaction, women are only interested in the top 10% of guys, and guys are just aimlessly running at anything that moves regardless of their act…
It does imply a potentially interesting algorithm though: Show all of the women to all of the men. From this you get numbers on which women are the most highly rated. Then, show women a) men who are at the same percentile as them or below and b) the smaller number of men who have already liked them. The result is that 60th percentile women end up primarily liking 60th percentile men and so on, because they're the hig…
The only way to meaningfully change this situation is by sorting/ranking after interpersonal interaction.
Re: What really happens inside a dating app
#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
A girl who started off at the same level as you, will appreciate what you have accomplished. A girl who grew up well off won't.
I’ve experimented with both. Neither really values where you come from and what you’ve accomplished. What they care about is what you’re going to do for them. In my case, I just happen to care about what they’ll do back because I’m not interested in super imbalanced relationships.
You said earlier you are making $700K. Would you not date a teacher making $70K?