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Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by descendant » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 3:34 PM UTC

kstrauser wrote: post #302

jay-barronville wrote: post #281

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> […] in reality if you're not a Chinese dissident living abroad, then OpenAI is much more dangerous to you than the CCP. Correct. I laugh a little every time I hear some folks immediately push the “Big Bad China is just trying to steal our data” narrative. My immediate reaction is, “Grab some tea and let’s sit down real quick, so I can tell you what some of our companies right here in America and our government do w…

It’s legal to be opposed to both, you know. At least OpenAI is in my legal jurisdiction.

Agreed. I get that both might have the same level of access to my data but if I was staying in USA, I would be much more okay with my data getting in the hands of an organization which is within the jurisdiction of the democratic country I live in. Also, given the global political scenario, China is considered a competitor/enemy due to opposite ideologies (not my personal opinion) so the choice is obvious. However, whether USA is/will stay a democracy for long is a longer debate.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by lostmsu » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 3:43 PM UTC

meiraleal wrote: post #270

A developers tool not available for Linux?

From the top 4 here https://survey.stackoverflow.co/2024/technology#1-integrated... only 2 are:

  - vs code
  - vs
  - IntelliJ IDEA
  - Notepad++

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by piker » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 3:43 PM UTC

guappa wrote: post #279

piker wrote: post #260

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> Edit:// "In principle" chinas gov stands for stability, economic development and national unity... As did Stalin, Mussolini, Hirohito and the National Socialist Party. It's the "how" that matters.

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Perhaps you might spend 5 minutes reading the quoted comment again and note the absence of "democracy".

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by throwaind29k » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 3:46 PM UTC

diggan wrote: post #311

doix wrote: post #181

I see many comments about not using this because China/ByteDance stealing data, etc. I get it for for enterprise, you don't want your code leaking to the outside world, even if in my experience, the code is mostly garbage and not worth that much. But if it's for some personal project that you're putting on Github, does it matter? If my code is going on Github anyway, it's going to get slurped up regardless. I don't p…

> But if it's for some personal project that you're putting on Github, does it matter? I don't think the fear is that they'll steal code you'll end putting publicly on GitHub, but everything else. I guess there is some fear that it won't just analyze and process what you currently have open, but might scrape your computer for more data and so on. I personally don't believe ByteDance would be stupid enough to even att…

You don't trust the OS do that kind of safeguarding?

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by descendant » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 3:46 PM UTC

guappa wrote: post #265

redcobra762 wrote: post #250

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The US is largely talk, vs. the substantial action China takes and has taken against territories it considers its own. The US importantly has a robust and independent judiciary where a fair trial is infinitely more likely than in China. Even for foreigners, the US legal system is accessible, understandable, and weildable for protection. It’s far from perfect, but 100x what you’d get in China.

> US importantly has a robust and independent judiciary where a fair trial is infinitely more likely than in China Except if you have an abortion. Then laws don't matter.

I would like to highlight the small bit of positive in the American system. I don't support the removal of abortion law, nor do I like mixing religion with politics. But, due to the system that exists in the USA, even though the government removed the right to abortion, the individual states can still support it and form their own laws around it. However, a similar situation in other countries would result in complete removal without any option.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by miah_ » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 3:53 PM UTC

No

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by spencerflem » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 4:13 PM UTC

descendant wrote: post #325

guappa wrote: post #265

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> US importantly has a robust and independent judiciary where a fair trial is infinitely more likely than in China Except if you have an abortion. Then laws don't matter.

I would like to highlight the small bit of positive in the American system. I don't support the removal of abortion law, nor do I like mixing religion with politics. But, due to the system that exists in the USA, even though the government removed the right to abortion, the individual states can still support it and form their own laws around it. However, a similar situation in other countries would result in complet…

Give it like a year, I promise you it will be banned federally

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by blackeyeblitzar » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 4:18 PM UTC

chvid wrote: post #198

thekevan wrote: post #119

There's no way I am using a Chinese IDE with VSCode (w/ Coppilot) and Cursor existing after reading the privacy issues in the court documents with TikTok. Bytedance had some extremely overreaching expectations of data it wanted. That being said, I am using (Chinese) Deepseek r1 because there isn't currently a free LLM on par with it. I am careful with what I share though, a little more so than with any others that ar…

As far as I can tell this is operated out of Singapore, which is not some communist backwater, according to the law there and on top of US big tech infrastructure. The models this editor work with are by Anthropic and OpenAI both US companies.

One nuance to consider regarding Bytedance: TikTok’s CEO is also based in Singapore, but is a former Xiaomi executive who worked in Beijing for years. The firm’s employees in places like Singapore could be coerced by the government of China because of their friends, family, assets there.

Employees of Bytedance (and other Chinese companies) have to deal with draconian employee rules and agreements that tie them back to the rules of their Chinese mainland parent corporation and the Chinese government itself. For example look at the details that came out in this lawsuit against TikTok, where employees have to agree to uphold Chinese national interests, uphold socialism, etc.

https://dailycaller.com/2025/01/14/tiktok-forced-staff-oaths...

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 4:20 PM UTC

Yasuraka wrote: post #282

guappa wrote: post #157

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You can still do like that. The problem is that coding was a passion, but turned out to be very lucrative profession so loads of people who can't do it want to do it. This is why we have languages like Go, and AI tools: allow people who don't want to learn how to be developers, to get a job as developers.

And here I thought those are all using Python, JS and Ruby.

I don't think anyone's using ruby.

Re: Trae: An AI-powered IDE by ByteDance

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Post by guappa » Thu, Jan 23, 2025, 4:23 PM UTC

kstrauser wrote: post #304

guappa wrote: post #278

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How many social credits are you getting for these posts? You went from “eh, China isn’t so bad” to “Tiananmen Square protestors had it coming” within one thread.

I could ask you how much you get paid to write comments supporting the genocide of palestinians…

You people with no morals try really really hard to twist words uh? But at the end of the day you're just a sad racist.