I just love how everyone suddenly becomes transportation experts in this thread and pour out their opinions that are purely based on their anecdotes and beliefs but nothing else.
That's what happens with every single internet discussion to be fair.
NYC Congestion Pricing Tracker
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#323I'm incredibly hopeful that NYC congestion pricing pays off in a big way - and that we start to see it in other cities across America. I really, really want congestion pricing in downtown SF. During rush hour, cars block the box and slow down busses, with cascading effects.
Every penny has to go back into affordable, subsidised alternatives or you're just fencing off Manhattan for the super rich.
Only the super rich can afford to pay $9? I.e., roughly the price of a sandwich in 2025?
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#324I just love how everyone suddenly becomes transportation experts in this thread and pour out their opinions that are purely based on their anecdotes and beliefs but nothing else.
I just love how everyone suddenly becomes experts and pour out their opinions that are purely based on their anecdotes and beliefs but nothing else.
FIFY. It's all the rage, you know ...
Tbh, most so-called "rational thinkers" are as emotional as "mouth breathers" if prodded sufficiently.
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#325I think the biggest thing CP is going to do in NYC is end toll shopping. There were previously some pretty obvious arbs available to people trying to get off LI. The biggest policy failure of CP though to me is that they left taxi/uber relatively unscathed. Often the majority of traffic is taxi/uber, so make the surcharge on them a fraction of what individual drivers pay is kind of nonsensical. Are we trying to minim…
The uber/taxi fee is charged per ride, whereas private passenger cars pay once per day. Seems like a reasonable tradeoff.
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#326I think the biggest thing CP is going to do in NYC is end toll shopping. There were previously some pretty obvious arbs available to people trying to get off LI. The biggest policy failure of CP though to me is that they left taxi/uber relatively unscathed. Often the majority of traffic is taxi/uber, so make the surcharge on them a fraction of what individual drivers pay is kind of nonsensical. Are we trying to minim…
How do you figure that? The amount of the surcharge for the average taxi/uber driver per day will be many many multiples of the cost for a regular driver.
In the case of a regular driver you you have someone paying $9 to bring a car into the congested area, probably serving one trip by one person.
In the case of a TLC driver you'll have them paying probably well over $100 a day (assuming the $2.75 charge x 4-5 trips an hour give or take) and aiding in the transport of probably dozens of people to their destination.
It seems completely obvious why this is a better approach to relieving congestion while still preserving the ability of people to get around.
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#327I just love how everyone suddenly becomes transportation experts in this thread and pour out their opinions that are purely based on their anecdotes and beliefs but nothing else.
Is there some other way to participate in online discussion forums besides sharing ones own anecdotes and beliefs?
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That is literally what the money is for
When I lived in NYC I paid huge amounts of money in taxes and as far as I can tell got very little for my money. Until they can start using their enormous existing budget wisely I don't see any reason they should be given more money.
> as far as I can tell got very little for my money
You literally lived in the greatest city in the history of world civilization.
Sorry it didn't work out for you.
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#329I think the biggest thing CP is going to do in NYC is end toll shopping. There were previously some pretty obvious arbs available to people trying to get off LI. The biggest policy failure of CP though to me is that they left taxi/uber relatively unscathed. Often the majority of traffic is taxi/uber, so make the surcharge on them a fraction of what individual drivers pay is kind of nonsensical. Are we trying to minim…
The uber/taxi fee is charged per ride, whereas private passenger cars pay once per day. Seems like a reasonable tradeoff.
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#330Earlier quoted context omitted.
> Cars blocking intersections and/or sidewalks can easily be solved with automated traffic fines Rush hour traffic is so gridlocked that cars often can’t know if they will clear a light cycle, so fining would effectively just reduce to a stochastic congestion tax. NYC does have some dedicated bus lanes, but adding more means reallocating more space from cars which is a political no-go without reducing the number of c…
You're wrong on both counts. Fining for blocking intersection isn't stochastic. You simply don't enter the intersection if you're not sure you'll be able to exit it. You wait at green light. Simple. That's how people in London and Zurich drive. Congestion automatically reduces the number of cars (because they literally can't get into the city!), without congestion pricing . If you reduce 3 lanes to 2, then... 2 lanes…
My point with adding bus lanes is that it’s a political no go, not that it wouldn’t work to speed up buses.