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A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I just heard someone mention in a podcast how as a cyclist they need to make eye contact with drivers to be safe, and there is no one to make eye contact with. Waymo would say "don't worry, it sees you" and maybe the numbers even show they do some percentage more than the average human driver, but that still does not reproduce the self-help aspect of you looking at a driver until you see that that driver sees you. I…

Wayne has a signal light that lights up

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I just heard someone mention in a podcast how as a cyclist they need to make eye contact with drivers to be safe, and there is no one to make eye contact with. Waymo would say "don't worry, it sees you" and maybe the numbers even show they do some percentage more than the average human driver, but that still does not reproduce the self-help aspect of you looking at a driver until you see that that driver sees you. I…

The waymos in SF seem to indicate that they see a pedestrian (when they are waiting to turn) by showing a pedestrian symbol on their spinning lidar hat. It's pretty obvious, but I don't know how consistently it is shown.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

Many cities in Europe still have their Roman era street plans. The street layout of a city is incredible sticky. Once you have a city built around cars and all the private property and infrastructure that goes with it, you are basically stuck with it for 1000 years. And American city layouts are horrible for public transit and walking. We can look at international cities with longing and jealousy, but LA, Houston, Mi…

I agree with you in part - we do have 100 years of development patterns baked into concrete and steel, but they were not originally built just for cars.

LA was built around interurbans, the idea that I should drive my car all the way from San Bernardino (or frankly even from Pasadena) to Los Angeles would be foreign to the original planners and builders in Southern California. Consider that every major freeway in LA is basically in whole or in part paralleling a former PE line, and suddenly my assertion doesnt seem so odd.

https://www.pacificelectric.org/collections/pacific-electric...

LA is not the only place where the sprawled layout was created by interurbans, Arguably to a greater or lesser extent - Detroit, Dallas, Cleveland, Cincinatti, and there are others whose early development was deeply influenced by the interurban exist.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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Remember kids: everything that can, eventually, will be turned against you!

Some fun predictions, gathered from other comments + my own:

- You ll have to dispute a dead family member against a faceless company that conveniently deleted crucial logs.

- They will make you wear wireless tags every time you cross a street, and fine & shame you, if you don't.

-Tags will contain your real identity, so that you ll get a bonus for your medical insurance.

- Insurance companies will refuse to insure your ild mechanical car, and will force you to buy a subscription for the new shiny car, that will have to be replaced every N years.

- The new car will refuse to drive you at X location because you overused your monthly C02 quota.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I ride my bike several times a day, and I have very mixed views about Waymo, etc. I care immensely about traffic safety (so much I moved to the Netherlands). If you took the world as it is now and left everything the same except that every car was a waymo and there were no human-driven cars left, I would be ecstatic. Humans are horrible drivers and some of them are downright murderous. If every car were a waymo I cou…

It seems contradictory to care immensely about traffic safety but lament the idea of wearing a vest to cross the street. It seems like something that logically we should probably already be doing. Self driving cars are just making it more obvious.

good god no. entirely backwards.

This is saying it's your responsibility to be ugly to be safe from rapists.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I think that as a pedestrian it would be hard for me to get used to. I like to look at the eyes of the driver to make sure they can see me.

Having just rewatched the original Total Recall, I can only think of one perfect answer for this. Need to add a Johnny Cab guy to the driver seat and have his head look the direction he is going to go.

Or the automatic pilot from Airplane.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I just heard someone mention in a podcast how as a cyclist they need to make eye contact with drivers to be safe, and there is no one to make eye contact with. Waymo would say "don't worry, it sees you" and maybe the numbers even show they do some percentage more than the average human driver, but that still does not reproduce the self-help aspect of you looking at a driver until you see that that driver sees you. I…

As a cyclist who has lifelong injuries from a bad driver hitting me, if driverless cars pose a threat to me, I will become very militant.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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> The future is bright. We have been there. The internet and then Google, Facebook were the same. Big Tech can't be trusted.

> Big Tech can't be trusted Trust, trade and mutually-beneficial coëxistence need not go hand in hand.

> mutually-beneficial coëxistence

Their side is benefiting a lot more than ours, and the few benefits that we might end up seeing come with a good amount of harm inflicted by them.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I rode in a Waymo recently and was amazed at how good it was. It was easily in the top 5 best drivers I have ridden with. Really really impressive. It wasn’t nearly as cautious or timid as I expected it to be. But it also wasn’t reckless. I would describe it as assertive, but I’m sure some people would call it aggressive. It knows the rules and what’s going on around and acts accordingly. This really should be the no…

The whole thing with self-driving cars is that it feels like the story of NASA's space pen. All this money being poured into a technology that would not be needed if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

> if the richest country in the world had the common sense of simply getting rid of its car dependency and developed proper public transit infrastructure.

Then have the dignitaries and environmental policymakers give their uparmored gas guzzling cars up first, leading by example.

Re: A comparison to Waymo’s auto liability insurance claims at 25M miles

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I rode in a Waymo recently and was amazed at how good it was. It was easily in the top 5 best drivers I have ridden with. Really really impressive. It wasn’t nearly as cautious or timid as I expected it to be. But it also wasn’t reckless. I would describe it as assertive, but I’m sure some people would call it aggressive. It knows the rules and what’s going on around and acts accordingly. This really should be the no…

I was just in CA for a few weeks and drove in SF quite a bit. There are Waymo cars everywhere and from the perspective of a driver I was more than a little cautious driving behind or next to one of them. I would rate their driving as quite good, but their signaling of intent was terrible. More than once did I see them use turn signals, only to never actually turn. Turn the signals on, then off again, then on again, e…

>More than once did I see them use turn signals, only to never actually turn. Turn the signals on, then off again, then on again, eventually turn perhaps but not always.

>Humans are terrible at this too, but we also use more subtle and inadvertent signals like the slight movement to the line telling me they're likely about to switch lanes, only to see the signal go on halfway into it.

Isn't waymo's behavior preferred? I'd rather see turn signals well in advance of any possible lane changes, rather than the moment before the cars actually start changing lanes. Sure, it'd be ideal if the turn signals were well in advance and there were no false positives, but road conditions are changing constantly, so by necessity you're going to be trading off between advance notice and false positives.

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