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Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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Sounds like the real problem is autocomplete. Do what I do, disable it. I never have autocomplete issues on websites.

Then you'll have to memorize a lot of long numbers.

I used to have my CC numbers memorized, until over time they were all replaced due to fraudulent charges.

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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> I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots These are two entirely unrelated issues. If the world doesn't need a particular task to be done by humans, then the task should be performed by robots. Until that happens, the workers should be treated humanely.

> If the world doesn't need a particular task to be done by humans, then the task should be performed by robots. The problem is, our society isn't ready for that shift, not even close. Employment opportunities for the low skilled have all but gone down the drain - there is a reason why Walmart, Amazon and the other usual suspects love to set up shop in devastated communities: they have a captive audience that has no…

> The problem is, our society isn't ready for that shift, not even close.

Percentage of US labor force working in agriculture by decade: https://www.gilderlehrman.org/history-resources/teacher-reso...

1950 was 15.2%, 1970 was 4.7%

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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The first point is true, but most people do not choose it. I do not think your second point stands. Almost the entire world is financially better off than it was in the past. Lots of third world economies are visibly richer than they were a few decades ago. Whose suffering are they benefitting from?

The last 40 years have seen enormous economic growth outside the G7 to the point that North America and Western Europe no longer dominate the global economy. Vice president Vance marrying a woman from India was a look into the future. The rich elite know what's happening.

Rishi Sunak's wife is a better example: the one in the couple with the money is the Indian heiress not the British former hedge fund manager!

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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That local trade involves taking advantage of the commons (putting CO2 in the atmosphere) to make it work. In my opinion, we do not have the right to take that advantage.

More CO2 is produced manufacturing and maintaining those greenhouses than shipping fruit from tropical locations. So no, in this case local production is simply worse for the commons. More broadly things that cost dramatically more are generally worse for the environment in subtle ways.

In the case of bananas, then don't have bananas. Only locally sustainable goods or imports occasionally, not all the time.

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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> I also wonder if that has something to do with where I live I live in the center of London and out of the 200 non-household goods orders I have on Amazon this year I don't think I would have been able to find even 20% of them in local stores. Actually even when I do go in a store and find an item I need, I scan the barcode on the Amazon app and saw that it's usually a LOT cheaper on Amazon (like, 30% cheaper for th…

I think what shocks me most here is that in a single year, you have placed 200 orders. What is it that you buy online or offline? I just can't imagine making a purchase every other day, especially if you aren't including groceries...

400 actually, and there are 12 more days to the year.

I just don't buy anything in brick and mortar shops, except food and drinks. Just out of convenience and price, not for ideological reasons or anything.

The number of orders is also inflated by things I listed here: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42463417 and by the fact that one project can be many orders. I built a NAS, and it was split over 10 orders, basically one per component when the price was right.

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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> I’m not sure why the general sentiment here is that Amazon workers do not deserve a living wage and should be replaced with robots These are two entirely unrelated issues. If the world doesn't need a particular task to be done by humans, then the task should be performed by robots. Until that happens, the workers should be treated humanely.

> If the world doesn't need a particular task to be done by humans, then the task should be performed by robots. The problem is, our society isn't ready for that shift, not even close. Employment opportunities for the low skilled have all but gone down the drain - there is a reason why Walmart, Amazon and the other usual suspects love to set up shop in devastated communities: they have a captive audience that has no…

Everyone cheering for automation and AI always says "oh we'll just implement UBI" but none of them ever seem to actually be working to help make that happen; I doubt we will get a glimpse of that until things get bad enough for CEO-murder to be a much more common thing.

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> The first point is true, but most people do not choose it. Because they lack wisdom and human beings en masse operate on instinct, not wisdom. > Almost the entire world is financially better off than it was in the past. Lots of third world economies are visibly richer than they were a few decades ago. Whose suffering are they benefitting from? The classic reply of the economist. It's because the industrial world me…

>The classic reply of the economist. It's because the industrial world measures better off with variables like "life expectancy" and "money". I'd take arguments with objective metrics over handwavy arguments involving vibes, because with the latter you can make whatever argument you want with them and it's impossible to refute. >For example: if I could live next to a beautiful national park and walk there every day,…

> I'd take arguments with objective metrics over handwavy arguments involving vibes, because with the latter you can make whatever argument you want with them and it's impossible to refute.

You can define other concrete metrics. Distance to wild nature for example. That's concrete.

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What you are supporting is local sustainability. The world would be better off with less global trade and more local productions. Local productions means a stronger community and more visibility for business practices, because it's more sustainable. If a global business decides to just toss all the plastic it uses it in its backyard you'll never notice because it's 2000 miles away. If Amazon decides to treat their wo…

In my grandpa's village everything was local production and commerce but they all lived way worse than me and my friends that get paid through remote companies and spend our money online. It's incredibly unclear to me why a super poor and undeveloped local economy is better than a specialized globalized one. In my country there was a dictatorship with protectionism and when we opened things got way better, not worse.…

We have police and regulations but they only apply to the country you are in.

Most of the cheap stuff we buy is from other countries, they don't have the same regulations and protections that we have, hence part(not all) of the reason they are cheap.

Take a look at the cheap chargers on Amazon for example, marked as UL listed but you open them up and you see a circuit that is liable to start a fire. Someone reports it, the vendor vanishes and then there are 5 more listings under different names. See also the lead paint on toys scandal and poison pet food/treat scandals.

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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It is a bad thing. And you say it like it's a dichotomy. And I could certainly get most of the comforts of modern life with 5% of the force of globalization. House, food, bed, some reading material, etc. I don't really care for technology, and I use it because it's part of my work and livelihood. BUT, I could easily be just as happy living a simpler life. Believe me, I've already thought about it. I could be pretty m…

Please get off the internet then, destroy your computer and go live on a farm. I don't say this to be an antagonist but it is what you yourself is suggesting others do.

I am working towards that goal, actually. My only reasosn to be on it are economic for now.

Re: Amazon workers to strike at multiple US warehouses during busy holiday season

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It is a bad thing. And you say it like it's a dichotomy. And I could certainly get most of the comforts of modern life with 5% of the force of globalization. House, food, bed, some reading material, etc. I don't really care for technology, and I use it because it's part of my work and livelihood. BUT, I could easily be just as happy living a simpler life. Believe me, I've already thought about it. I could be pretty m…

> BUT, I could easily be just as happy living a simpler life Put your money or your comfort where your mouth is. > if there were other forms of labor, I wouldn't be less comfortable. Yes you would be. My grand parents all farmed and my grandfather was born in a cabin with a dirt floor and no electricity. His mother died in child birth, which was common at the time. He lost siblings to disease. His life was brutally d…

More false dichotomies. Technophiles love them. The choice isn't just between modern global capitalism and a dirt floor. It's just that you have a strong emotional attachment to technology and can't see a way out.
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