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Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by reducesuffering » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 1:57 PM UTC

riskyingo wrote: post #268

Ylpertnodi wrote: post #137

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My car-to-work radio is set to a rock-based station. Occasionally they will play a(n overtly) pop song, or two. It's a great station (for me, as the infrequent "not of this genre" surprise keeps me interested. The occasional not-tech story on HN is equally welcome for myself, as the level of comments, and opinions are so much 'higher' than other places. There's always some comment/s that allow me to appreciate anothe…

Weird, there are places where political news can be discussed. You feel you need a variety, others might feel rightfully that it should stick to its purpose. Coming back to analogies, I don't send memes to work chats.

Ignore the thread then? There's 100 others

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by flohofwoe » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 1:57 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #269

flohofwoe wrote: post #193

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> but it's hard to comprehend why Russia was unable to do anything at all Did you miss that Russia has to import cannon fodder, artillery grenades and missiles from North Korea and attack drones from Iran? I don't think they have any resources to spare in Syria at the moment.

There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence to support the claims of Russia using North Korean... there have however been several cases of the media getting caught lying about it, doctoring photos etc: https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1864324321960972298?t=4H... https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1864447294474457245?t=yK0OU-9... The North Korean claims appear to be complete lies, designed to make Russia look bad.

Do you have some better sources to offer than two random Twitter accounts which quite clearly sling Russian propaganda?

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by reducesuffering » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:01 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #274

Caius-Cosades wrote: post #132

Rebel? How about we just call them for what they are, Turkish proxies in the north and US proxies in the east.

These "moderate rebels" are literally Al Qaeda and ISIS, but western media is manufacturing consent for them in real-time: [0] https://x.com/AlanRMacLeod/status/1865009325669818430?t=r-Pr... I'd also note that HTS is a proscribed terror organisation in the UK - yet nobody is having their doors kicked in for supporting them, in stark contrast to those publishing the truth about Israel, Palestine and Lebanon.

No such "western media manufacturing consent" here. Everyone is unsure of the future. Assad is practically universally hated, Idlib was been under HTS governance, relatively moderate for the region, for the past 4 years. The past Al-Qaeda ties are frequently noted. Few bigger western voices than the National Security Advisor Jake Sullivan:

"The group at the vanguard of this rebel advance, HTS, is actually a terrorist organization designated by the United States. So we have real concerns about the designs and objectives of that organization. At the same time, of course, we don’t cry over the fact that the Assad government, backed by Russia, Iran and Hezbollah, are facing certain kinds of pressure. So it’s a complicated situation.”

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by jt2190 » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:03 PM UTC

GordonS wrote: post #316

phsau wrote: post #293

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https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/39... The DoD says North Korean soldiers are already in Kursk and preparing? News of NK armament deliveries and use is old at this point and not debatable. Is the DoD spreading fake news? Just because they haven't seen front-line combat _in Ukraine_ doesn't mean Russia isn't using NK assets.

Yes? Hasn't the DoD also maintained the line that there are no US forces in Syria for years too? It's really not so surprising that they'd lie.

> Hasn't the DoD also maintained the line that there are no US forces in Syria for years too?

If that’s true, they might want to stop publishing press releases about their actions in Syria.

“CENCOM Destroys Threatening Weapons Systems in Syria” https://www.defense.gov/News/News-Stories/Article/Article/39...

“US will remain in eastern Syria and seek to prevent IS resurgence, Pentagon says” https://www.reuters.com/world/middle-east/us-will-remain-eas...

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by GordonS » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:04 PM UTC

flohofwoe wrote: post #322

GordonS wrote: post #269

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There hasn't been a single scrap of evidence to support the claims of Russia using North Korean... there have however been several cases of the media getting caught lying about it, doctoring photos etc: https://x.com/AXChristoforou/status/1864324321960972298?t=4H... https://x.com/BowesChay/status/1864447294474457245?t=yK0OU-9... The North Korean claims appear to be complete lies, designed to make Russia look bad.

Do you have some better sources to offer than two random Twitter accounts which quite clearly sling Russian propaganda?

Pointing out evidence of a UK rag fabricating photos to fit a Western propaganda narrative is... Russian propaganda?!

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Post by hackandthink » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:06 PM UTC

tptacek wrote: post #95

hackandthink wrote: post #83

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I do not have a say in it. But I would prefer a democratic development to Salafist terrorism. I fear the worst, but it doesn't always have to be like this.

It is indeed as if the Nazis were overrun by ISIS, but the ISIS people are saying they're reformed and they're not going to do all the crazy shit ISIS did. On the other hand: look what was there before. Right?

I just don't know.

I remember ISIS beheading people. Some of these people are still around. Some of them are imprisoned in Kurdish camps. Will they be freed?

The best scenario I can imagine:

Erdogan controls the Islamists and guarantees the security of the people and leaves the Kurds alone.

At some point, even the millions of refugees will be able to return.

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by octopusRex » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:09 PM UTC

It's a place where there's no good guys to root for. I fear for its citizens, and especially for women.

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by halJordan » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:14 PM UTC

octopusRex wrote: post #327

It's a place where there's no good guys to root for. I fear for its citizens, and especially for women.

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Post by lukan » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:15 PM UTC

j_maffe wrote: post #299

lukan wrote: post #257

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That link I gave is propaganda BS. It claims the syrian army gave the terrorists( SDF) control over the new areas, while in reality they fought with US support against iranian and syrian regime militias. So that iran could not send support without fighting their way through it, maybe a turning point in this war. It was just to illustrate that Erdogans goals are not peace, after Assad is gone.

That's all well and good. Could you please reply to my other question? I'm very curious where this notion is coming from.

The claim that Erdogan is more open towards being a sultan and open towards more influence of Islam into the government?

Re: Syrian government falls in end to 50-year rule of Assad family

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Post by hackandthink » Sun, Dec 08, 2024, 2:16 PM UTC

guerrilla wrote: post #148

hackandthink wrote: post #50

Nassim Taleb (in Lebanon not far from Homs right now): "The strangest thing is that after 14 years of war, the Syrian rebels walked into the entire country faster than if they were on a tourist sightseeing tour. Except at the beginning, there was no fighting." (from his X Account)

That could only be strange for him if he doesn't understand the structure of the war or he hasn't been following current events. Assad was only able to take back Syria with air support from Russia, ground support from Hezbollah and re-enforcement by Iran and other Iranian aligned groups in Syria. Russia is busy and drained of resources because of its misadventure in Ukraine, Hezbollah is reeling from it's shocking lo…

For me, Taleb is the Levante expert, I simply don't know anyone else.

His view that the interference of all possible powers has only brought disaster seems plausible to me. He has criticized the export of fanaticism from Saudi Arabia in particular for a while.

The downfall of a regime is perhaps simply difficult to predict.

I experienced this in the case of the GDR. Suddenly it was gone, everyone was astonished.