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There must be some rule on the internet where if some geopolitical thing happens anywhere in the world at least one person will blame Russia.
And another will blame the US president.
South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
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It sounds like the National Assembly just needs to meet & vote to counter this?
National Assembly has been suspended by the military so they will have trouble meeting. > Following Yoon’s announcement, South Korea’s military proclaimed that parliament and other political gatherings that could cause “social confusion” would be suspended
Are they required to hold the vote within the parliament building itself?
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SK has been at war with a hostile, communist neighbor for about 75 years. It's not really "red scare stuff." Edit: I'm not sure what I was getting at, so ignore me
There's no pro north Korean elements in the opposition. This is using a very real foreign adversary as a boogeyman to demonize political opponents. That's exactly what "red scare stuff" was back then in the United States, and that's exactly how it's being used right now by the president of Korea.
This is kind of what I was wondering as somebody who's 99% clueless about Korean politics.
Yoon Suk Yeol claimed he is protecting the country from "shameless pro-North Korean anti-state forces."
Now...
I do not doubt that NK has spies in SK, possibly some in government. I am sure there are some in SK who are happy to get a paycheck from NK to share some info. It's what any oppositional nation state would be trying to achieve.
But as far as literal "pro-North Korean" forces in SK, that seems close to literally impossible to me.
I cannot imagine any significant number of South Koreans looking at North Korea and thinking ooooh yes that is what I want.
Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
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#325Transparent coup d'etat attempt rumored to happen for months. The only option when the mouse is cornered. Approval rating in the <10% range, Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings, crazy selfish wife abusing state resources, it is almost comically predictable if not for how serious it is. North Korea is always the convenient excuse... only hope Westerners don't get fooled by the rhetoric. Guy digg…
>Japan whispering in his ear and pulling the puppet strings I'm curious if you have some sources for this? I'm not that familiar with SK politics and I'm obviously biased since almost all info about SK I either get from English/Japanese sources. Afaik he was pretty dovish towards Japan during his election, which goes against the decades long tradition of tit-for-tat during election between SK&Japan since "looking tou…
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> we've gone from 'no rights were suspended' to 'rights were suspended but if you successfully got them un-suspended they were never really suspended before.'. Who said no rights were suspended? You're arguing with yourself [1]. The wrong statement made at the head was that we had martial law in the West during Covid. We did not. Not even close. If civilian courts can overrule anything, you're not under martial law.…
You said: > Martial law in America would mean suspending the Constitution. I pointed out that constitutional rights were suspended. Thus, by your logic, martial law was declared. Then, after making the simple claim above you continually change the goal posts. First, martial law is suspension of the constitution. Then, it's suspension of the constitution and the inability to appeal to courts. Pick one. If it's simply…
> Martial law in America would mean suspending the Constitution. I pointed out that constitutional rights were suspended. Thus, by your logic, martial law was declared.
Category error. Breakfast means eating food. That doesn't make every meal breakfast.
> constitutional rights were suspended. Thus, by your logic, martial law was declared.
Suspending the Constitution and having Constitutional rights suspended (or more accurately, violated) are very, very different. America under martial law would not have to respect courts, states, or any legislature. You'd have a commander in chief and his generals and everything else exists at their pleasure.
Note that one could suspend the Constitution without martial law. A Constitutional Convention could suspend the Constitution, for instance.
> you've changed the goal posts, not me.
Read the Wikipedia article. Or just look up the word "martial."
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> making people do that for 14 days after traveling anywhere in the country is martial law in all but name only It's not. If we broaden to this definition, America has been under martial law since passports, border control and driver's licenses. > imposing fines instead of jailing people for exercising civil rights is still martial law No, it isn't. If we broaden to this definition, America has been under martial law…
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Re: South Korean president declares martial law, parliament votes to lift it
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The rest of the replies here seem to be personal attitudes and opinions. Objectively, the state-promoted bogeymen in the USA are consistently Iran, China, DPRK, and increasingly Russia. I just spent a month in China and the disparity between what we are told in western media and what is actually going on is substantial, but not in the ways I expected.
Please--do tell more re: China. I hear a lot of parroting of negative talking point about China here in Canada, I see a lot of crazy footage from China that looks like the future, but I'd love to know more about your actual experience.
I'll tell you my experience:
I was just in Shenzhen last month. It feels like a city that is 10 years ahead of any place in the US. The city felt extremely futuristic. Most cars on the road are EVs. Payments are all digital. Ordering at restaurants is on your phone. The entire city is extremely clean, civilized, efficient, safe which you can't say about any major US city. Hop on a high speed train at any time and go to anywhere in China within a few hours.
China basically feels like a bigger Singapore except people in China are generally friendlier and more down to earth.
When you're actually in China, the constant negative stories about China in your head will go away. What you'll see is just like any other place: people working hard, minding their own business, and generally friendly people.
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The leader of his own party reportedly called it unconstitutional and vowed to stop it, so I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one.
> I don't think his route to rigging a Parliamentary vote in his favour is an easy one The classic move is to block the legislature from assembling while one gets around to dissolving it.
Does the legislature have to meet in that specific building for it to legally count as in session?
Or can they meet anywhere they choose?
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National Assembly has been suspended by the military so they will have trouble meeting. > Following Yoon’s announcement, South Korea’s military proclaimed that parliament and other political gatherings that could cause “social confusion” would be suspended
Are they required to hold the vote within the parliament building itself?
They're apparently (according to BBC) inside the building now anyway and waiting for the speaker to arrive and call a vote. Also special forces are there and landed helicopters on the roof, intent unclear.
Edit: vote complete, declaration of martial law is voted down. Now what?