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Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by codexon »

throw1574236 wrote: post #316
codexon wrote: post #287

Earlier quoted context omitted.

A lot of people think 4chan is one of the last bastions of free speech on the internet because they see a lot of racism that would normally be banned anywhere else. But if you post something that goes against the alt-right that pisses them off too much and getting a lot of replies, it'll be deleted within minutes, or you'll even get banned for being "off topic". 4chan is not free speech, it is just a haven for the al…

This is not true. You can go to /v/ right now and see tons of pro black/trans in video games posters, and /lgbt/ is one of the largest boards on the site at 12th place by avg. posts per day.[0] Here are 3 /v/ threads I found in less than 5 seconds that are "pro woke": 1. 696014001 OP: >Face it, it’s going to be a BG3 situation. Everyone will screech about it being woke, play it, then 6 months later everyone will say…

The mods won't ban or delete 1 off posts that don't get any traction. And I'm talking about pol, the #1 board on the site by activity.

And no I don't visit g, if I wanted some discussion about technology I'd rather use this website instead. I'm not going to show any of my own examples for privacy purposes, and no doubt you will probably find some way to nit pick at those.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by tovej »

ranger_danger wrote: post #256
tovej wrote: post #219

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This problem is a societal one, it mostly harms you indirectly by creating spaces for hateful ideas to spread, 4chan's harm is through the capacity to organize and strengthen hateful and harmful political movements. More socially conscious people not visiting the site only serves to create a stronger echo chamber.

This is how oppression starts. First it's "let's only get rid of the most offensive content", then "let's suppress opinions we don't like".

Would you please tell me one example where oppression has started with criticizing nazis.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by TZubiri »

codexon wrote: post #306
TZubiri wrote: post #302

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They do have rules and the site is quite moderated. I do think though that any such site or platform will have the issue of judges inflecting their bias in their application of the rules. So I wouldn't say that it is a unique phenomenon. That said, of course there is a semantic as well as technical identity to 4chan. And they are quite connected, rather than isolated. 4chan, apart from its lax rules on what we now ca…

There were no rules broken. Actually they selectively ignore the rule against racism as long as it is aligned with alt-right, and not just the pol board now. https://4chan.org/rules 3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: b. Racism The political bias of the moderators on the website have been documented by others. https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha... They selectively censo…

An article about 4chan from left media is something I won't read. Not a boomer, I can actually read 4chan anyways and make my own mind.

Image related is unfortunate. Not uncommon for jannies and mods in any website to use their power to self serve. It happens even in more serious and regulated sites like wikipedia, so I'm not surprised by the lack of moderation neutrality in a meme site.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by mmsc »

TravisPeacock wrote: post #134
andrewflnr wrote: post #123

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How many people are there like that, and how much damage are they collectively likely to do? If you're a random spammer, how hard will it be to hire that person? Again, not aiming for impossibility, just reducing the damage.

I've been working for myself for over a decade doing random projects for clients while also doing my own thing. My resume looks awful and the job market is trash. If be willing to take a job as a jr developer and work my way up (or a sys admin). I used to run one of the world's largest ebook piracy websites but want to put that life behind me. Recently work came across my desk to create tens of thousands of accounts…

The secret is knowing that companies actually want people like you, with the real world blackhat experience, because you know how the game works in practise not just theory.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by lobsterthief »

matchamatcha wrote: post #185
brian-armstrong wrote: post #128

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Makes me wonder what comes next. Could we create a forum where every member must do a 15 minute video interview with a moderator? I know this "doesn't scale" but I think it could make for a funny gimmick.

When I was a teenager, I stumbled upon a music forum that required phone interviews for signing up. They had other interesting sign up rules, like you could not have silly user names (judged by the admin). I guess it served as an effective filter for their member base..

The silly username thing goes a bit too far though. It just means the admin will subjectively apply other rules. Doesn’t sound like a lot of fun.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by imchillyb »

aguaviva wrote: post #312
efilife wrote: post #288

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What are the bad countries? Russia and china?

There are no bad countries, only bad streams of traffic. Some of which have been observed to be associated with certain countries.

I believe even a cursory examination of recent history to show your premise to be less than truthful.

There are bad actors. There are bad groups of actors. There are bad political regimes of groups of bad actors. There are countries made up of bad political regimes made up of groups of bad actors.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by throw1574236 »

codexon wrote: post #321
throw1574236 wrote: post #316

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not true. You can go to /v/ right now and see tons of pro black/trans in video games posters, and /lgbt/ is one of the largest boards on the site at 12th place by avg. posts per day.[0] Here are 3 /v/ threads I found in less than 5 seconds that are "pro woke": 1. 696014001 OP: >Face it, it’s going to be a BG3 situation. Everyone will screech about it being woke, play it, then 6 months later everyone will say…

The mods won't ban or delete 1 off posts that don't get any traction. And I'm talking about pol, the #1 board on the site by activity. And no I don't visit g, if I wanted some discussion about technology I'd rather use this website instead. I'm not going to show any of my own examples for privacy purposes, and no doubt you will probably find some way to nit pick at those.

>mods won't ban or delete 1 off posts that don't get any traction

Janitors don't delete posts that they don't see or are not reported.

>I'm talking about pol, the #1 board on the site by activity.

/vg/ is neck and neck with /pol/, and that's only because /v/ was split into /v/ and /vg/.

And yeah, if you don't give any examples it's hard to take you seriously. The example you did give was egregiously OT, and in fact potentially thread-derailing. The fact that you saw that as an example of janitors being unfair puts your credibility into question. I showed that liberal opinions are allowed and even common on 4chan, which was your initial point. I don't browse /pol/ but I found liberal threads pretty easily here as well:

490048710 (99 replies)

OP:

>Calmly explain why pissing off these countries [in OP pic] will result in untold riches for the working class [countries are China, Canada and Mexico, in reference to Trump's tariffs]

490048788 (103 replies)

OP:

>Is Trump the last gasp of a dying empire?

>He's going hard, threatening every country in the world with huge tariffs and massive retaliation if they use currencies other than the US dollar. It's rather absurd. [post continues for another 3 paragraphs]

I don't think 4chan is necessarily a bastion of free speech. Twitter is probably more free in terms on what you can post now. However 4chan is nothing like Reddit, old twitter, YouTube etc. in terms of what you can post.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by codexon »

TZubiri wrote: post #323
codexon wrote: post #306

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were no rules broken. Actually they selectively ignore the rule against racism as long as it is aligned with alt-right, and not just the pol board now. https://4chan.org/rules 3. You will not post any of the following outside of /b/: b. Racism The political bias of the moderators on the website have been documented by others. https://www.vice.com/en/article/the-man-who-helped-turn-4cha... They selectively censo…

An article about 4chan from left media is something I won't read. Not a boomer, I can actually read 4chan anyways and make my own mind. Image related is unfortunate. Not uncommon for jannies and mods in any website to use their power to self serve. It happens even in more serious and regulated sites like wikipedia, so I'm not surprised by the lack of moderation neutrality in a meme site.

> Image related is unfortunate. Not uncommon for jannies and mods in any website to use their power to self serve.

This isn't just a 1 off thing by rogue moderators is what I'm trying to point out. This is a constantly re-occurring thing. I also experienced the same issue multiple times until I got fed up with it and stopped posting there a few years ago.

Their main moderator had a goal to make 4chan politically aligned with his views. 4chan used to be free speech but it really isn't anymore.

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by ranger_danger »

tovej wrote: post #322
ranger_danger wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is how oppression starts. First it's "let's only get rid of the most offensive content", then "let's suppress opinions we don't like".

Would you please tell me one example where oppression has started with criticizing nazis.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Army_Faction

Re: Breaking the 4Chan CAPTCHA

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Post by codexon »

throw1574236 wrote: post #327
codexon wrote: post #321

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The mods won't ban or delete 1 off posts that don't get any traction. And I'm talking about pol, the #1 board on the site by activity. And no I don't visit g, if I wanted some discussion about technology I'd rather use this website instead. I'm not going to show any of my own examples for privacy purposes, and no doubt you will probably find some way to nit pick at those.

>mods won't ban or delete 1 off posts that don't get any traction Janitors don't delete posts that they don't see or are not reported. >I'm talking about pol, the #1 board on the site by activity. /vg/ is neck and neck with /pol/, and that's only because /v/ was split into /v/ and /vg/. And yeah, if you don't give any examples it's hard to take you seriously. The example you did give was egregiously OT, and in fact p…

> Janitors don't delete posts that they don't see or are not reported.

So why is it that any alt-right or racist posts never get deleted? Even if they only deal with things that get reported to them, there's clearly a huge bias going on here when alt-right aligned posts never get reported while the opposite is reported and dealt with within minutes.

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206317377/

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206526786/#q206527439

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206199053/#q206200223

https://archive.4plebs.org/tv/thread/206521664/#q206526548

> And yeah, if you don't give any examples it's hard to take you seriously. The example you did give was egregiously OT, and in fact potentially thread-derailing. The fact that you saw that as an example of janitors being unfair puts your credibility into question.

I believe I've given plenty of other examples not my own. I don't want to bring in my own examples because I don't want to be arguing about politics on this website, especially since I am not using a throwaway account like you are.

If the example I gave was egregiously OT, then so are all the dozens of race and politic baiting posts aligned with the alt-right that never ever seem to get the same treatment.

And for posts be deleted quickly, it needs to piss enough people off. The examples you used are the most softball examples that are not too aggressively worded and makes it more likely that alt-right users try and refute the claim rather than a knee jerk "report and sage".

Also tariffs are more of a tangential viewpoint rather than one exactly opposed to the alt-right.

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