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Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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post #317

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> a few days ago, my feedback to the CTO was Did he completely change course because of your feedback?

It's only been one working day since, but, knowing him and the rest of the senior leadership team, I do expect a large correction.

Right. But you mentioned feedback you gave that was followed. Do you have examples?

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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I don’t get it. He said gripe to his superior but he is basically kissing ass?

No, that is exactly how you inform a superior officer that you believe the mission is a waste of time, effort, equipment, and manpower, and will probably get everyone killed for next-to-no benefit.

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Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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I don’t get it. He said gripe to his superior but he is basically kissing ass?

I interpreted it to mean that he was still Captain and part of his job was to keep up morale and model positive attitude. Even hypothetically, he was not going to gripe to his troops, and as far as they are concerned, he believes it is a worthy mission. He was jokingly modeling the proper, positive attitude. All this was understood by his men.

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Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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post #321

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It's only been one working day since, but, knowing him and the rest of the senior leadership team, I do expect a large correction.

Right. But you mentioned feedback you gave that was followed. Do you have examples?

I've told the CTO that he needs to push the CEO for some specific things I've needed, that he needs to be more assertive with certain issues, that he shouldn't talk to the teams I'm running because he confuses them, and many other instances like that. He's followed feedback every time I gave it, usually immediately.

I try to do the same when my reports give me feedback, and they've also been satisfied with it. Most recently, I was told I shouldn't abstract things too quickly, which was good advice, and following it has gotten good results.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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People have ego's. Instead of saying they are wrong, adopt their perspective and help them discover your perspective. They may like your perspective and adopt it as their own reasoned opinion, lead them to it, and then they may adopt it and own it. Sometimes you'll find they have unstated reasons for choices, find workarounds for them. This is a basic human skill everyone should understand.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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I don’t get it. He said gripe to his superior but he is basically kissing ass?

I interpreted it to mean that he was still Captain and part of his job was to keep up morale and model positive attitude. Even hypothetically, he was not going to gripe to his troops, and as far as they are concerned, he believes it is a worthy mission. He was jokingly modeling the proper, positive attitude. All this was understood by his men.

I’d add that the answer was clearly over the top, thus sarcastic, thus he is agreement with his soldiers.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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I interpreted it to mean that he was still Captain and part of his job was to keep up morale and model positive attitude. Even hypothetically, he was not going to gripe to his troops, and as far as they are concerned, he believes it is a worthy mission. He was jokingly modeling the proper, positive attitude. All this was understood by his men.

I’d add that the answer was clearly over the top, thus sarcastic, thus he is agreement with his soldiers.

No, I did not interpret it that way. Perhaps he did think the mission was dumb, but he was not letting on even subtly.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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Too much my experience as well. Inside AWS felt like hundreds (thousands?) of Indians who have terrible jobs but don't do anything about it. Now that I'm out I can't believe what I put up with.

Perhaps you could present yourself as worthy through your work, rather than bemoaning that others as worthy were more conducive to being treasured employees?

They are treasured employees for sure, though I'd call it abused. Not sure where my worth comes into this.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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Did you read the result you linked? > Several handbooks on highly effective communication in organizations are: 1. “Winning” by Jack Welch and Suzy Welch, which emphasizes clear communication, open dialogue, and transparency in organizational success. 2. “Fierce Conversations” by Susan Scott, focusing on transforming everyday conversations at work to achieve success. 3. “Radical Candor” by Kim Scott, which promotes e…

Scroll down to the 2nd question: "What advice do these books offer to a subordinate who wants to give feedback to their manager? What's their reasoning for the advice?"

LLM(and LLM+) afaik, even Perplexity, do not do textual analysis. They do not “know” what is in the book, they will only try to predict how someone else would answer your question based on data in the training set. If there are not many similar questions asked and answered accurately, the results will be poor.

Re: How to give a senior leader feedback without getting fired

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post #295

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every employment should be at will!! is there a constitutional or birthright to employment at XYZ company? these discussion always look at one side, like “employer can’t fire employee X without paying severance and other junk” but if I started a company and said “if you leave the company you have to pay severance back to the company for leaving” everyone would be up in arms about it…

I live in a US state that has at-will employment. I once had an owner of a small business threaten to sue me for quitting because it would cause financial harm to the business. And that was with giving 4 weeks notice. At-will employment laws protect employees that want to quit, not just employers that want to fire.

> At-will employment laws protect employees that want to quit

Does your unemployment insurance work after you quit? Or does it only work when you're fired?

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