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Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by techlaw »

hagbard_c wrote: post #188
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

You are not alone in this sentiment. It is beyond the pale that the denizens of a 'hacker forum' are often so narrow-minded when it comes to engaging those who think outside of the personal zone of ideological preference. The same people who have been yammering about the importance of 'diversity' are dead set against diversity of opinion. Grow up, folks, get outside your comfort zone and engage some of those deplorab…

In this context, diversity refers to characteristics, not to differences of opinion. That said, diverse thinking can be valuable when used for prosocial purposes.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by rootusrootus »

ipaddr wrote: post #295
Muromec wrote: post #288

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Why is tiring to hear a minority especially in this forum?

Because you are sharing legacy media's views. We can turn on a tv for that.

> legacy media

Doesn't Fox News have the highest viewer numbers of any of the news stations? What fraction of local news stations are owned by Sinclair? I don't think you get to call "legacy media" out for being liberal when such a large part is not.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by knowitnone »

Muromec wrote: post #288
Alupis wrote: post #267

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Let's not pretend everyone is aghast at the goals of this administration. We just had an election and these viewpoints resoundingly won the day. A non-trivial component to this election was this constant, smug nagging. "We know better, you're all so stupid". If you turn out to be right, enjoy your smug "I told you so", but until then - these views are a minority and are very tiring to constantly see/hear/read.

Why is tiring to hear a minority especially in this forum?

only some special minorities can be heard while others are shut down

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by aziaziazi »

Alupis wrote: post #259

> The study's authors make clear that the results do not indicate Tesla vehicles are inherently unsafe or have design flaws. In fact, Tesla vehicles are loaded with safety technology; the Insurance Institute for Highway Safety (IIHS) named the 2024 Model Y as a Top Safety Pick+ award winner, for example. Many of the other cars that ranked highly on the list have also been given high ratings for safety by the likes of…

> So, why are Teslas — and many other ostensibly safe cars on the list

Interesting, my initial mental concern was: "So, why IIHS ranked cars highly involved in crash with Top Safety+?" Didn’t they though using statistics could help prevent accidents in praxi?

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by tzs »

Alupis wrote: post #267
MBCook wrote: post #165

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We’ve had them in office before, plus plenty of public statements over the last 10 years. It’s not exactly baseless speculation. People have things to base their guesses on.

Let's not pretend everyone is aghast at the goals of this administration. We just had an election and these viewpoints resoundingly won the day. A non-trivial component to this election was this constant, smug nagging. "We know better, you're all so stupid". If you turn out to be right, enjoy your smug "I told you so", but until then - these views are a minority and are very tiring to constantly see/hear/read.

That's a pretty simplistic analysis. People largely voted on immigration and inflation. You can't infer anything about what they thought on other issues.

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Post by floxy »

piotrkaminski wrote: post #252
stego-tech wrote: post #92

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I mean, even lacking proper scientific data, ask yourself how often your brain “autocompletes” someone based on a brand or object? There’s a reason advertisers spend so much money and effort cultivating a very specific customer image: it works . In the case of Tesla - and I cannot overstress enough how much lf this is purely subjective conjecture on my part and not a statement of fact - the image cultivated by the co…

> brand that emphasizes safety or enjoyment of experience (like Hondas and Toyotas) This is plausible on its face, and yet the Honda CR-V Hybrid ended up higher on the list than the Model Y. No idea how to explain that...

I guess I wouldn't be surprised if there were issues with data and/or analysis. Should we assume they are basing their miles driven off of used car listings? That is, they see someone puts a 2019 Subaru Impreza up for sale in 2023, with 50,000 miles, and they add that to their data set on how many miles the average Impreza gets driven per year? But maybe people leasing drive differently than those who own or keep vehicles longer? I'd like to see the data on their average number of miles driven per car model per year.

Would also be interesting to see which were the safest cars according to their analysis.

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Post by rootusrootus »

ipaddr wrote: post #299
Mordisquitos wrote: post #215

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Campaigning is customarily done before elections, not after.

Campaigning is done right happens between elections. In most countries you only have 4/6 weeks. As Kim Campbell of Canada famously said an election is not the time to debate issues. Now the US has a much longer campaign period.. and elections every 2 years. They are always campaigning.

I hope that the incoming President is not campaigning at this time, nor at any time in the future.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by floxy »

yardstick wrote: post #319
piotrkaminski wrote: post #250

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What in the world is the Honda CR-V Hybrid doing so high on this list?! That doesn't seem to fit any of the theories I've seen spun up so far.

Family car, probably lots of accidents due to kids distracting drivers.

Looks like the hybrid version of the CR-V was released in 2020:

https://hondanews.com/en-US/honda-automobiles/releases/relea...

...and the study only covered model years up to 2022. It would be interesting to compare the hybrid to the standard version. If there is a significant difference, I'd be suspicious of data quality.

Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by rootusrootus »

zer8k wrote: post #155
notyourwork wrote: post #117

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Am I the only one that is not excited about the next four years being constant banter of this nature? I loathe it. Nothing personal against your comment but the new administration hasn't even gone into office and I cannot get away from this.

These people have been inundated with the drivel of a billion dollar propaganda machine run by the most expensive campaign in history. It's gonna take a while before they're back to normal again. I've heard so many "office of government efficiency" jokes in the last week I am tired of it too. But, in their defense if all you hear is how this administration is going to be the fourth reich (lol), destroy the country (l…

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Re: Tesla has the highest fatal accident rate of all auto brands, study finds

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Post by tzs »

yardstick wrote: post #319
piotrkaminski wrote: post #250

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What in the world is the Honda CR-V Hybrid doing so high on this list?! That doesn't seem to fit any of the theories I've seen spun up so far.

Family car, probably lots of accidents due to kids distracting drivers.

If that was the case I'd expect the non-hybrid CR-V to be up there too.

I found a discussion of the 2019 report, which was the year before the CR-V hybrid came out, and the CR-V fatality rate was 2.7.

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