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M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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What stops someone from selling replacement cards?

not wanting extensive interactions with Apple's legal team. Charging $400 for $10 of storage means they have a lot of money to harass you with very well payed lawyers even if you are in the right.

There have been companies selling hardware upgrades for Macs that weren't designed to be upgraded for many decades now.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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> Pricewise, things start favoring PCs if you need more RAM, as Mac upgrades are costly. That's the position I'm in, along with some other people I've talked to recently, too. For our situations, the M4 would likely offer more than enough processing power, and the efficiency and physical size are attractive, but a maximum of 32 GB of RAM definitely isn't sufficient. The M4 Pro's 64 GB of RAM is somewhat better, but t…

For what it's worth, the apple silicon machines are much more efficient on RAM than most - a 16gb m1 absolutely mops the floor with the 32gb of ram I have in my thinkpad with an i7. It's not really even close.

Your comment might win you the argument on a random non tech forum but not here.

much more efficient in what? mops the floor by what? which year's i7?

Don't get me wrong, I 100% believe what happened, but if you mean "my macbook is faster than my i7 thinkpad" you should use those exact words, but not bring RAM into this discussion. If you want to make a point about RAM, you need to be clear about what workflow you were measuring, the methodology you were using, and what the exact result is. Otherwise your words have no meaning.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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I use Linux, but I think the cheapest M4 Mini offers an incredible value and efficiency per €. With education discount, it's around €650, including VAT. It's pretty hard to find such a silent and powerful machine for that little. Any comparable options? A good fanless build with a i3-14100T is more expensive and 40-50% slower on Geekbench. An i5 is a bit closer. Some 2024 Ryzen CPUs can match or exceed its multicore…

Beelink has dropped the price for a roughly comparable unit with an Intel Core Ultra from 800 US Dollars to $700. https://www.bee-link.com/products/beelink-sei14-ultra5-125h

Beelink are awesome little machines!

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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The Mac mini M4 performance is around 4-5x in DaVinci Resolve for me - compared to my HP laptop (i5-1135G7). Rendering HDR video was around 12fps there on the i5 - the same project in the Mac mini gets 60fps. The M4 10 core GPU seems on par or better with a mobile RTX3060(65W) for video tests (NR / Deflicker) so I'm also impressed about the M4's efficiency. A lot of power per Watt. It's becoming a dedicated video ren…

i5-1135G7 is from about 4 years ago. If you look at the latest offerings from Intel/AMD the gap should be fairly small.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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i’ve found it pretty easy to run my “homelab” with docker compose. Traefik binds to port 80 and 443, and all my apps are accessible behind the proxy. Docker desktop can be configured to start on login. For keeping the mac awake “forever”, i’d suggest the Amphetamine app. I also appreciate that you can easily use the macOS screen sharing app to login and manage the mac from a laptop.

That certainly works, but Docker will use a Linux VM, right?

yes, unfortunately. Doesn’t really matter for the web apps i’m hosting, but I could see it being an issue for certain apps/workloads!

I suppose you could try running Asashi Linux in the future? I think it only works on m1 and m2 mac’s at the moment but don’t quote me on that.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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“If only they didn't put the power button on the bottom.” While I think Apple was off the rocker on this particular decision, I do respect their org structure that allows this type of decision to occur. Believe me, there are companies where a dozen people or more would weigh in and prevent an unpopular choice. Consensus sometimes hinders a desired result (both good and bad).

After buying one, I actually like it. I know exactly where it is, and can reach for it by feel more easily; I could never tell you whether the power button was on the left or right side of the old Mini/Studio without checking each time. It's also larger, more satisfying tactile/clicky, and concave compared to the old button (which was rounded into the outside curve, not particularly be satisfying to press). I think t…

Jobs and Ive had their head scratchers. Like the Magic Mouse with the bottom charging port, or the Cube with all its cables coming in from the bottom.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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power button on the bottom means kids/cats won't accidentally press it

Steering wheel in the footwell means the front passenger won't sneeze on it. Come on, it's a dumb idea. Apple has them sometimes - really!

No really, imagine a surge protector with the switch recessed on the bottom. Only plugs on the top, nothing to step on and bring down your desktop.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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I wish the same could be said of the Studio Display, which is quite power hungry. If the Mac is running then the display is using minimum 10 Watts of continuous power usage at all times, fan running, with the screen off. I guess it takes 10 Watts to maintain the Thunderbolt controller, USB hub, A13 processor, and run the fan. Power usage does drop to <1 Watt when the Mac is actually sleeping, unless anything is plugg…

Agreed. I’m very impressed with it as a general productivity monitor, but it’s a power hungry monitor. Kind of like an SUV lol.

The built in mics and speakers are fantastic, 5k is great, the webcam is meh.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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“If only they didn't put the power button on the bottom.” While I think Apple was off the rocker on this particular decision, I do respect their org structure that allows this type of decision to occur. Believe me, there are companies where a dozen people or more would weigh in and prevent an unpopular choice. Consensus sometimes hinders a desired result (both good and bad).

I mind this design decision a hell of a lot less than the baffling deliberate decision to map EVERY KEYBOARD BUTTON to be equivalent to the power button (which the damn thing already has) on their laptop line-up. I love it when my macbook is turned off and I accidentally nudge a single letter on the keyboard and it powers back on - not to mention when you're drying to clean it with a micro fiber cloth.

If you fully shut down a mac laptop, you have to press and hold the power button to turn it back on. Not sure what you’re talking about here and probably why you’re getting downvoted.

Re: M4 Mac mini's efficiency

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The Mac mini M4 performance is around 4-5x in DaVinci Resolve for me - compared to my HP laptop (i5-1135G7). Rendering HDR video was around 12fps there on the i5 - the same project in the Mac mini gets 60fps. The M4 10 core GPU seems on par or better with a mobile RTX3060(65W) for video tests (NR / Deflicker) so I'm also impressed about the M4's efficiency. A lot of power per Watt. It's becoming a dedicated video ren…

When do you turn it off? I have a Mac M1 Studio and I just let it sleep. If things get weird I reboot. I think I recall using the power button about a year ago after returning from vacation after I had shut it down.

Right now I mount up to 7 HDDs to the Mac via SMB, have some Streamdeck / Pedal and the necessary external SSDs for fast storage connected. I will see if the SMB mounts come back OK after sleep (my laptop acts as server) but the Streamdeck and HDDs wake up randomly so overall it's easier to switch everything on and off depending on usage.
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