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Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Kind of unrelated, but stack ranking is very much back now across the board now in big tech.

That’s appalling.

Its cyclical, a lot of companies over hired and are trying hard to cut down

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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That’s appalling.

Its cyclical, a lot of companies over hired and are trying hard to cut down

Cyclical processes and appallingness aren’t mutually exclusive. In fact they may well be related.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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post #264

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"Everyone, chill" then proceeds to drop emphasis , F words and other strong words. Maybe take a page of your own book.

I read “everyone chill” to mean “there’s a lot of bad takes here”, not literally “remain calm”. In that context, I think the comment makes sense — they’re illustrating just how wrong the common take is

I've literally never heard that expression before

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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> What frugality? He was paying the full price that it was being sold at. By that logic, most reading these comments should expect to hear from their employer: What annual bonus? What stock options? The company is paying full price that your time was being sold at.

Yeah no. Your annual bonus and stock options is between you and your employer. Your end customers don't pay for it directly, they are paid for within the cost of whatever product your employer is selling. When tipping is no longer customary to receive good service and seeps into other aspects of lives it leads to all sorts of problems and situations. This[1] is an extreme example of that situation in a different coun…

>Your annual bonus and stock options is between you and your employer. Your end customers don't pay for it directly

In the service industry, you wouldn't need to say end customer, because the person you're delivering to is already the end customer. Either way is still a results based cash reward paid by the entity receiving the direct output of your work.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Agree to disagree. We learned his schedule, we made sure to make his drink so it would be ready on time while also handling the hundreds of other orders in the morning rush. This is something we tried to do for every regular customer with a fixed order. I'd argue that this sort of thing is well within the bounds of what was 'tippable' service back then. But to be clear, tips weren't expected then like they are now. I…

Why would you do that though? Were you told to do this by the owner? If not, then that's on you and you should have treated him no differently than any other paying customer.

Do you do the minimum acceptable work at your job?

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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post #164

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Tipping is a fundamentally flawed and exploitative system

> exploitative I worked in restaurants, and let me tell you, I never felt exploited in tipped positions. If anything, I felt like lucky at least compared everyone else in the restaurant industry. The real exploitation happens in the back of the house…

It exploits customers

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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post #185

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Where in Seattle does this? Maybe it’s different on the east side. Costco and the grocery store chains here certainly don’t do that.

I’m in lower Queen Anne. Every corner store that also sells coffee/sandwiches does this. Maybe 1-5% of customers are buying a sandwich, but 100% are prompted to tip with an 18% default.

The problem is that it seems to be necessary to prompt every transaction for a tip to collect any credit tips at all, or at least all the major POS are set-up that way.

Which doesn't seem like it should be a big problem in an already not tip-heavy, but there are a surprising number of people who make a very big show of not being able to tip because there's no credit option.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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post #164

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Tipping is a fundamentally flawed and exploitative system

> exploitative I worked in restaurants, and let me tell you, I never felt exploited in tipped positions. If anything, I felt like lucky at least compared everyone else in the restaurant industry. The real exploitation happens in the back of the house…

I believe GP meant exploitative towards consumers.

The customer was presented a deal. That the deal includes non-written, ever increasing additional charges unilaterally imposed by other side is exploitative.

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Funny story. I used to see Steve almost every weekday for a couple of years. I can't speak to his business skills, but I can attest that he never once offered a tip for his daily black iced tea. We'd even have it ready for him before he showed up so he never had to wait! He would pay with cash, and I'd hand him his change and drink, and that was that. It's funny to me now: one of the richest men in the world and he n…

Rich people are the most oddly tight people I've ever met. They'll buy a £5m house one day then the next spend 30 minutes arguing with the gardener that the broken 10 year old mower should just work and most definitely doesn't need replacing

Re: Steve Ballmer was an underrated CEO

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Annual bonus is either performance based or as a retainer to make up for differences in the wages since the person was hired. Stock options are because you could be paid more or you are taking risks for future rewards. A mandatory tip is because your employer doesn't want to pay you full wage and instead of increasing the price and pay you more, they pass it over to the customers. So they get the same profits without…

Employees are paid for the work they are expected to perform during the hours they are at the office. The company doesn’t expect them to do more than that, however if they do, they get a nice bonus for it. Baristas are paid to make iced tea. The customer doesn’t expect them to do more than that, but they can be nice, learn your name, prepare your tea ahead of time, change the tea recipe to something you enjoy more. D…

Sure. From their employer, not from their customer.
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