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Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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It's always better to give no data (aside from leaving them with "we couldn't collect that data") than it is to give fake data because that fake data will be used against you just as often as real data would. Don't hand companies extra ammo to use against you, or think that you're safe just because they've written an incorrect assumption about you on the bullet. You're still going to be taking the hit.

This gives me the idea to add features to target specific types of advertisements and pages for clicks and visits. Actively try to use the data in your favor to convince whatever algorithm that you’re a healthy eater with an active lifestyle. To your point, unfocused fake data can be harmful to the faker but it seems focused fake data can work against the collectors.

It really might in some ways, but it's risky. Nobody is using the data they collect on us to help us. They use it against us to help themselves. You could limit the harm caused by one system, but expose yourself to new harms by another. It's also a safe bet that faced with conflicting data, companies and their algorithms will favor whatever information they think would make them the most money. It's still worth considering though, especially if you can get privileged information on how a specific system is using people's data.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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> And of course they want to cater to advertisers because it is advertising that maintains the open web As someone who worked both on advertiser and publisher sides (incl. content monetisation): advertisers like to say that they support publishers and the open web, but in fact, they are keeping it hostage. We've had the means/tech to support publishers directly for years (I don't mean crypto). It's in the interest of…

> As someone who worked both on advertiser and publisher sides (incl. content monetisation): advertisers like to say that they support publishers and the open web, but in fact, they are keeping it hostage. I know what you're saying, I agree, as I worked (in the past) on advertising platforms as well, but both of those statements can be true at the same time. The open web was built on advertising, but the perverse inc…

The problem with micropayments goes beyond the finances.

It's a major friction point.

How do you set up the payment relationship the first time? Maybe you can get it down to one click, at best, with stored credentials.

When you consume content, you still have to track expenditures, whether it's a prepaid credit balance draining or an invoice building up. Every pageview becomes a "is this worth 8 cents?" discussion.

A broad cooperative flat-rate programme-- Patreon on steroids-- seems the best way to manage that. The consumer signs up for the entire universe at $20 per month, and then doesn't have to think about what happens if he visits a new site, or opens 500 articles this month and 5 next month. It's all sorted out with analytics at the content-provider level.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Name one browser that isn't funded by ads. Even the minor browsers, pretending to not be funded by ads at this point (while the VC capital is drying up) depend on one of the 3 browser engines, all of which are funded by ads.

Ladybird is funded entirely through donations, and doesn't depend on one of the 3 browser engines.

Ladybird is vaporware at this point.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Because it doesn't matter that much, as Chromium is open source, not to mention it did a fine job thus far in advancing the open web. I'd like Firefox to stick around, but as far as I'm concerned, if Safari goes away, I couldn't care less.

Sure, it's open source, but it's controlled entirely by Google. No work has been done on Chromium that Google hasn't wanted done. Said another way, Chromium can not be updated to risk Google's business or profit.

Chromium can be forked. Minor browsers like Brave or Vivaldi do that, although they have to keep up with upstream, but they are shipping an ads-blocker that are blocking Google's search ads.

Note that Firefox or Safari aren't going after Google's business due to the search deal. At this point, Google is funding all 3 major browser engines, so they have a level of control going beyond just controlling Chromium.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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Unless you are using an VPN, your ISP can see the IPs you are communicating with regardless of the hostnames associated with them and in turn resolve those back to hostnames or at least netblock owners.

True, but n the cloud era, destination IPs don't mean what they used to. If peopel wash their blog with AWS or Cloudflare or Netlify, etc., dest. IP means little.

They're not talking about IP's. They're talking about SNI, which communicates the target hostname in the clear before the https session is established. ECH addresses that problem, but that is only recently starting to see wider use.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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He was opposed to it as a private citizen, not as Mozilla CEO. His beliefs and supported causes as the former are nobody else's concern; had he been discriminating in terms of employment or otherwise making public statements it would be a different story. Or are we now witch hunting people for wrongthink?

I don't think it's "witch hunting people for wrongthink" to suggest that those in a position of power are able to use that power to influence public opinion. Especially when that position of power is the CEO of a browser that replaces content on web pages.

>a browser that replaces content on web pages.

Mozilla went hardcore political and Chrome copycat long after his time. There was no such controversy there under Eich, and even now as Brave's CEO he isn't doing anything to 'influence public opinion'. Browser CEOs aren't newspaper editors or activists, Mitchell Baker excepted.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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I think it's the tone of the site that turns people off. I'm sympathetic to the message, and I love a simple website without JS and trackers, but I have to admit that design wise it's a little reminiscent of some of the websites made by schizophrenics. Whoever that creator is it looks like they've even missed some things too. I didn't see anything about the Mr Robot fiasco, or that one time they pushed a pop up ad at…

He's moved the URL here - the site continues to be updated - https://digdeeper.club/articles/mozilla.xhtml True, no mention of Mr. Robot though I'd say that was minor compared to whatever else they've been pulling off.

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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> I can’t set a dhcp option on my network to tell my dozens of clients what dns server to use, I have to manually adjust each browser. But at that point, you are effectively the ISP trying to control how users do DNS, in a way that might enable you to track/block/redirect. You might be trustworthy to your users so that is fine, but that isn't the case for every user's relationship with their service providers. Is the…

As I run the OS I can choose to accept the hint or override the dns servers.

Completely forgot to take to this a week ago (busy times…) but this more recent (that is touching in the same issues of inconvenience for some and whether it should take precedence over safety concerns of others) reminded me: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41471510#41472889

Re: Chrome is entrenching third-party cookies that will mislead users

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> As someone who worked both on advertiser and publisher sides (incl. content monetisation): advertisers like to say that they support publishers and the open web, but in fact, they are keeping it hostage. I know what you're saying, I agree, as I worked (in the past) on advertising platforms as well, but both of those statements can be true at the same time. The open web was built on advertising, but the perverse inc…

> micro-transactions are not possible given the huge banking fees Look up papers on UPI - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Payments_Interface - it is heavily used for micro-transactions in India.

I don't think those are quite micro enough for what they were talking about.
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