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Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by meroes »

slidehero wrote: post #275
Nullabillity wrote: post #269

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> 1. Content Generation: Spam isn't a feature. See also, this whole message that could just have been the headlines. > 2. Customer Service and Support: So… less clear than the website and not empowered to do anything (beyond ruining your reputation) because even you don't trust it? > 3. Summarization and Insights: See 1, spam isn't a feature. This is just trying to undo the damage from that (and failing). > 4. HR Can…

This seems unecessarily negative to me. >Content Generation I'm working on AI tools for teachers and I can confidently say that GPT is just unbelievably good at generating explanations, exercises, quizes etc. The onus to review the output is on the teacher obviously, but given they're the subject matter experts, a review is quick and takes a fraction of the time that it would take to otherwise create this content fro…

I’ve rarely if ever seen a model fully explain mathematical answers outside of simple geometry and algebra to what I would call an adequate level. It gets the answer right more often than explaining why that is the correct answer. For example, it finds a minimal case to optimization, but can’t explain why that is the minimal result among all possibilities.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by codexon »

theaussiestew wrote: post #310
codexon wrote: post #300

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I use gpt4o and claude 3.5 while coding every day. The rumors on twitter and reddit are accurate. I constantly run into incorrect answers from the LLMs every day. Just recently I asked whether I needed to reverse the bit shift to mask the upper 24 bits in an IP address on a little endian platform and it incorrectly told me no probably because most of the answers on Google appeared to answer no to similarly phrased qu…

That's probably the best we can do for now with LLMs. Surely it would be unreasonable for LLMs to provide a correct answer when the majority of people on various forums also provide the wrong answer. Some day LLMs will be able to objectively provide truthful statements but we're not there yet. Regardless, that LLMs are competing with longstanding programmers is already an impressive feat, even if they're not 100% cor…

I'm not going to pass any judgement on what is reasonable or unreasonable for LLMs, just pointing out that it makes serious mistakes.

Many people here argue that LLMs are able to reason, you can check my post history 3 months ago to see an example of this.

And if you have to double check everything, how much time are you really saving? And is this thing really on track to replace programmers any time soon? Absolutely not.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by slidehero »

skydhash wrote: post #313
slidehero wrote: post #287

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reducing the load on overworked teachers by using GPT to generate exercises, quizes and explanations for students is "endless worthless sludge"?

Also have teachers in my family. Most of the time is spent adjusting the syllabus schedule and guiding (orally) the stragglers. Exercises, quizes and explanations are routine enough that good teachers I know can generate them on the spot.

>Exercises, quizes and explanations are routine enough that good teachers I know can generate them on the spot.

Every year there are thousands of graduate teacher looking for tools to help them teach better.

>good teachers I know can generate them on the spot

Even the best teacher can't create an interactive multiple choice quiz with automatic marking, tailored to a specific class (or even a specific student) on the spot.

I've been teaching for 20+ years, I have a solid grasp of the pain points.

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Post by skydhash »

linuxftw wrote: post #166
CuriouslyC wrote: post #161

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Try these: Take a SQL schema, and ask AI to generate crud endpoints for the schema, then sit down and code it by yourself. Then try generating client side actions and state management for those endpoints. Time yourself, and compare how long it takes you. Even if you're fast and you cut and paste from template work and quickly hand edit, the AI will be done and on a smoke break before you're even a quarter of the way…

Your experience mirrors mine. I use ChatGPT or meta for boiler plate code like this. I write golang at my day job, and there's a lot of boiler plat for that language, saves a lot of time, but most importantly, does the tedious boring things I hate doing.

Why does no one uses snippets or create scaffold for projects? My main requirement for a tool is to be deterministic. So that I don't spend time monitoring it as failure is very distinct from success.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by mikhael28 »

As long as Zuck keeps releasing open-source models, the moat will continue to disappear from these companies. Only expensive, corporate processing tiers will exist and everyone will run stuff locally. Not a lot of money to be made from local processing.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by meroes »

slidehero wrote: post #287
Nullabillity wrote: post #283

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It is negative. Because the rest of us are still forced to wade through the endless worthless sludge your ilk produces.

reducing the load on overworked teachers by using GPT to generate exercises, quizes and explanations for students is "endless worthless sludge"?

Can you post a question and answer example if it doesn’t violate NDA because I have very little faith this is good for students.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by meroes »

bamboozled wrote: post #70
phito wrote: post #62

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> but I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is far more difficult and will take far longer I am yet to see any reasoned argument for why it is easy to build real AI and that it will come fast. As you said, AI has been there for decades and stagnated for pretty much the whole time. We've just had a big leap, but nothing says (except BS hype) that we're not in for a long plateau again.

Well he gave you a list of credentials of why you should believe him. Isn’t that enough ?

Let’s poll RLHF workers since they actually see the tech the most.

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Post by skydhash »

swat535 wrote: post #178
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I don't think you need an LLM just to parse class properties and turn them into a map. Not that familiar with Dart, but that's the kind of thing IDEs have been able to do for a while now just by parsing syntax the old-fashioned way.

The thing is, when you dig into the claims many people make when they say that they get a 10x productivity boost using "AI" its usually some basic tasks that either generates boilerplate code or performs a fancy autocomplete and while those are great, in no way it supports their original claim. I think people just want to be part of the hype and use the cool new technology whenever possible. We've seen this over and…

> they get a 10x productivity boost using "AI" its usually some basic tasks that either generates boilerplate code or performs a fancy autocomplete and while those are great

And that are just a tiny upgrade over what IDEs can do. When I used Android Studio, the code basically write itself due to the boilerplate surrounding your business logic. And once I got a basic structure down, I feel like I only write 5 to 10 characters each line (less for data types). And the upgrade is both positive and negative at the same time, it boils down to luck to actually get good suggestions.

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Post by MaybiusStrip »

codexon wrote: post #322
theaussiestew wrote: post #310

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That's probably the best we can do for now with LLMs. Surely it would be unreasonable for LLMs to provide a correct answer when the majority of people on various forums also provide the wrong answer. Some day LLMs will be able to objectively provide truthful statements but we're not there yet. Regardless, that LLMs are competing with longstanding programmers is already an impressive feat, even if they're not 100% cor…

I'm not going to pass any judgement on what is reasonable or unreasonable for LLMs, just pointing out that it makes serious mistakes. Many people here argue that LLMs are able to reason, you can check my post history 3 months ago to see an example of this. And if you have to double check everything, how much time are you really saving? And is this thing really on track to replace programmers any time soon? Absolutely…

I'm confused, you said earlier that you use it every day.

Re: Artificial intelligence is losing hype

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Post by skydhash »

el_benhameen wrote: post #53
djaouen wrote: post #26

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How are you using AI to double your coding productivity? Are you using ChatGPT, or Claude, or GitHub Copilot? I am an AI-skeptic, so I am curious here. Thanks!

I’m not the OP and I wouldn’t say that AI has doubled my productivity, but the latest Claude models in particular have made me less of a skeptic than I was a few months ago. I’m an experienced backend dev who’s been working on some Vue frontend projects, and it’s significantly accelerated my ability to learn the complexities of e.g. Vue’s reactivity model. I can ask a complex question that involves several niche conc…

> I now reach for it as my first tool

The manual is my first tool.

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