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Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by acedTrex »

awesomekling wrote: post #238
account42 wrote: post #190

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Seeing someone ignore the naysayers and attempt the so-called impossible task of developing a new independent browser is awesome to see. It brings a glimmer of hope that the internet is not doomed to be ruled by advertising companies with only a stagnant controlled opposition browser as the alternative. That said, Ladybird is obviously far from becoming the daily driver for the average webizen. What do you think is g…

> What do you think is going to be the first milestone where Ladybird is going to be able to be a real alternative (even if limited to certain use cases) and in what timeframe do you think this can be accomplished? At the moment, we are focusing primarily on our own use cases as developers, since those are the easiest to test and qualify. So websites like GitHub, web specifications, MDN, etc. are likely going to be v…

I think thats a very smart plan, get the websites that devs frequent up and running relatively reliably to help drive more dev use and therefore more willing contributors.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

F3nd0 wrote: post #38
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Congratulations on the kick-off! Now that Ladybird is no longer a part of SerenityOS, will you consider a switch to a licence which not only grants, but also protects user freedoms (e.g. the GPL, MPL, EUPL)? Also, any thoughts on having official communication channels on some open, freedom-respecting platforms, rather than Discord only?

The BSD license protects user freedoms just fine.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

cabalamat wrote: post #316
awesomekling wrote: post #132

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Yes, we are aware of how permissive licenses work. If someone forks our code and does a better job with it than we do, fair game. :)

But if they embrace, extend and extinguish, in a way that harms your users' freedom, that would not IMO be a good outcome.

Those users can always use the original browser. They haven't lost anything.

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Post by awesomekling »

klohto wrote: post #318
awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

is there still space on your crew? i’d love to join, should i just start committing?

We’re always open to new developers! Find a website that doesn’t work right, then try to figure out why, and see if you can fix it :)

The best for a beginner is usually to start with some simple page you made yourself, since you know how it’s supposed to work, and can debug more easily.

And come join us on Discord, there are new people getting into the codebase all the time :)

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Post by rurban »

awesomekling wrote: post #5

Hello friends, Ladybird founder here! Here's a short video from Chris Wanstrath announcing our non-profit yesterday, and kicking things off with a $1M donation: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k9edTqPMX_k Happy to answer questions :)

Chris is awesome! Congrats, Andi

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Post by endemic »

bradley_taunt wrote: post #230

Love the project, but that website is pretty cold and soulless (as mentioned by others). I quickly put together a "cleaner" design for anyone interested, which also uses the original (and objectively better) logo: https://ladybird-dev.netlify.app/

Yeah, that original logo is way better. Kind of reminiscent of the Firefox logo before it got abstracted away into minimalism.

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Post by bigstrat2003 »

enriquto wrote: post #162
awesomekling wrote: post #77

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Thanks F3nd0! There are currently no plans to switch to a less permissive license. And we're perfectly happy using proprietary services like GitHub and Discord as long as they make our work easier and more enjoyable. We recently evaluated a number of alternatives, and found that they all introduced more friction than we were comfortable with. Although the task of building a browser is itself challenging, we're a prag…

> (...) switch to a less permissive license. License "permissiveness" is a relative concept. From the point of view of the users of your software, the GPL is more permissive than MIT, since they have permission to see the source code. If you release software under MIT or BSD licenses, you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.

> If you release software under MIT or BSD licenses, you allow middlemen to strip this right to users of your software.

No you don't. You're being extremely disingenuous with this phrasing. No matter how many other parties take the source code and make a closed source product out of it, the users of your software will always have the same rights you granted them to begin with. No freedom has been lost.

And before you say "but your users won't have the same rights to the derivative works", that isn't a loss of freedom. They never had those rights to begin with, therefore they cannot lose them. Not gaining something is not the same as losing it.

Re: Ladybird Web Browser becomes a non-profit with $1M from GitHub Founder

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Post by awesomekling »

CrimsonCape wrote: post #310

Does awesomekling get to remain BDFL of Ladybird? I appreciated the project because it gave the impression that all the pork was stripped away and 100% focused on the engineering. Meanwhile Mozilla spends a massive chunk of money on the organization and the philanthropy and the blog posts, and the activism, and the salaries of people who have little resemblance to engineers.

I’m still the BDFL but my role is evolving a bit as I’m now also running the nonprofit.

We are definitely a stripped down operation, and we will spend as much of our funding as possible on engineer salaries for the foreseeable future.

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