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Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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It's really hard to "catch" these things in the moment. I work in chemical plants and there are tons of huge releases of extremely toxic gases all the time, which I can often smell from my apartment. I know what they are by smell because I manufacture them myself. Proper continuous monitoring for a broad range of chemicals would cost about $1 million per monitoring station and we'd need to build them along the perime…

You at all concerned about your exposure to random chemicals?

>You at all concerned about your exposure to random chemicals?

In my case, yes, since I was a young teenager.

Even before then I tried to learn as much as I could and gain as widespread experience so they wouldn't be so random any more.

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You at all concerned about your exposure to random chemicals?

Moving from the plant areas to downtown houston has brought a massive improvement in my health. I suspect that 4 years of living next to the plant has caused long-term damage ... but it's extremely difficult to prove anything, especially when there is no data at all that supports an assertion that my apartment was exposed to any leaks at all - not a single one of those near-daily emissions events was caught by the ai…

I'm with reaperman and have some first-hand experience too.

When you're inside the gates of a chemical plant, the vapors may or may not be as toxic as on the neighboring property.

Whether or not the neighbor is residential or another chemical plant.

Depends on where you are.

And everything is supposed to be within OSHA limits, but many times there will be a concentrated location within the plant which is the source responsible for making the whole place barely pass the monitoring they do have. There can be upsets but also some routine or occasional releases which can add up.

If you really simplified, a new plant can be justified for the production of one particular chemical. When they build a plant all by itself way out in an otherwise undeveloped area, there may be a huge quantity of final product (sometimes 100% toxic) being handled that was not being done before, but the variety of chemicals in the vicinity will be very small compared to what you find among the neighbors when they build a plant within a chemical complex. Louisiana has some real bad chemical concentrations too.

For all the time you spend within the gate there, you really need to spend the rest of your time as far removed from those exact same toxins as you can reasonably do. I say any kind of toxin requires a detox period.

When I'm in downtown Houston it's like night & day, but it's still Houston. I think the pollution in central Houston is more from traffic. Spend a weekend twice as far away in the woods outside of Conroe or something, and when I get back it makes me want to change my indoor air purifiers.

Anyway, I came intentionally to work in the industrial environment and it was much rougher for miles around back in the late 1970's. Plus it was plain to see if you wanted to inhibit the proliferation of toxicity to unspoiled parts of the country, you would be better building within established complexes precisely because this is where total abatement is likely to be furthest out-of-reach forever. Besides, it's already been that way since before anybody living was even born.

Didn't Apple start out in California and witness the environmental disparity as it evolved?

From what I know you're not welcome to work with any kind of chemicals in California for decades now, much less research involving chemicals themselves. Not unless you're willing to settle for greatly reduced progress than you could make in so many other places.

It's got to be a dingbat move trying this in a California neighborhood.

Why not a neighborhood that arose (healthwise or not) because of its proximity to the plants?

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The EPA ruling against Apple casts doubt on your ad hominem accusations.

Nothing in the report is actually of gravity. If that’s really the extent of mismanagement, it’s pretty tame for a R&D semiconductor lab.

Is it typical for an R&D semiconductor lab to be located in a residential neighborhood?

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Nothing in the report is actually of gravity. If that’s really the extent of mismanagement, it’s pretty tame for a R&D semiconductor lab.

Is it typical for an R&D semiconductor lab to be located in a residential neighborhood?

this isn’t a residential neighborhood, this is industrial zoning with ONE apartment building that got an exception. Probably due to the generally horrible housing situation over there. Nonetheless, it’s actually not that uncommon to find semiconductor labs in suburban areas, mostly low vol or R&D of course, but it’s far from unheard of.

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Is it typical for an R&D semiconductor lab to be located in a residential neighborhood?

this isn’t a residential neighborhood, this is industrial zoning with ONE apartment building that got an exception. Probably due to the generally horrible housing situation over there. Nonetheless, it’s actually not that uncommon to find semiconductor labs in suburban areas, mostly low vol or R&D of course, but it’s far from unheard of.

If there were ever a use for the EPA, surely “stopping megacorps from releasing toxic chemicals into residential neighborhoods and retaliating against whistleblowers” would be it.

We’re not talking about some agile startup that rents the nearest place where they can assemble their hardware. This is one of the three most valuable companies in the world, essentially purchasing residential real estate to use as a venue for unsupervised high-tech manufacturing that flouts all environmental regulations they’d otherwise be subject to. And the reason is so that their highly paid employees can have a shorter commute to their R&D lab.

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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this isn’t a residential neighborhood, this is industrial zoning with ONE apartment building that got an exception. Probably due to the generally horrible housing situation over there. Nonetheless, it’s actually not that uncommon to find semiconductor labs in suburban areas, mostly low vol or R&D of course, but it’s far from unheard of.

If there were ever a use for the EPA, surely “stopping megacorps from releasing toxic chemicals into residential neighborhoods and retaliating against whistleblowers” would be it. We’re not talking about some agile startup that rents the nearest place where they can assemble their hardware. This is one of the three most valuable companies in the world, essentially purchasing residential real estate to use as a venue…

have you actually read the EPA report? This has never been proven, the issues they found are more on the level of procedural scrutiny and unmarked waste buckets. That’s FAR from "releasing toxic chemicals into a residential neighborhood", which it isn’t, it’s industrial zoned land. The one apartment building is also literally built on a EPA superfund site, entirely unrelated to Apple. So even if the issues reported aren’t hypochondria or part of the myriad of other vendettas this woman had with Apple, it’s still just as likely that it may have something to do with the superfund site.

Personally, I’d prefer living next to a low vol semi lab to a whole myriad of other enterprises: petrochem, industrial scale chemistry, coal powerplants, GA airports using 100LL avgas, the list goes on. But hey, that’s just like my opinion man.

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People get strange symptoms all the time. I currently have a chronic scalp condition that doctors haven’t really identified and a really stiff neck. Of course I’m going to go ‘aha!’ If someone gives me a plausible explanation

Psoriasis and computer neck?

No to the first, yes to the second

Re: US EPA Enforcement and Compliance on Apple Fabrication

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5G was a fun one. When they built the 5G tower near me they didn't put any equipment in it. People complained about it at local planning meeting saying that it was giving them migraines, then someone burned it down. I moved and I have 5G but they still don't.

This is exactly the type of story I remember reading about too. I feel the best type of public education would have been the listing of the many electromagnetic radiation sources we already have. Taking a sample person, say, from inner London, and enumerate just how many of the radiation gets to them already, from the 4G and previous sources, radio, the different equipment that a city has, and so on. I feel like peop…

We should provide science teachers in public schools a little SDR receiver so they can show kids all of the RF in the air around them, pretty much everywhere all of the time. If RF radiation caused health problems, it would easily be the most widespread and persistent condition known to medicine simply because of how steady and ubiquitous RF radiation has been for the last 80 years.

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Inside industrial settings I would presume stuff like this happens all the time. In fact, people even die sometimes. Even when a refinery blew up in Texas a few years back it barely made the news. On a side note, Fluorine is bad stuff but I believe it doesn't have a long lifespan so any impact would be immediate or not at all

My brother works in a oil refinery lab… One of the test samples he opened (unexpectedly) had a flourine compound in it that strips calcium from bones… he jumped in the lab shower which sets of an alarm when activated, which leads to lab evacuations and an emergency team in hazmat gear arriving

Hydrofluoric acid. Nasty, nasty stuff.
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