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Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by zer0zzz »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login.

People literally want everything tied to one identity, service, and login. You are almost totally wrong. People do sometimes want to switch to something new when they feel what they've bought into hasn't met their expectations or has fallen behind in innovation. And guess what? Apple in very limited ways actually locks people into things like passwords, files, photos, notes etc. Their entire ecosystem is pretty easy to migrate away from, I've done it several times. Theres an import/export tool for most everything.

After this year you probably can't even say they are locking people into their ecosystem with iMessage.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by zer0zzz »

AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296
basisword wrote: post #218

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

"The people want the thing that they want because they are wrong"

I never understood how this argument even makes sense. It sounds a whole lot like you're upset that most normal people don't care about and don't want what you want.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by MrDrMcCoy »

cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

> It's also why I refuse to buy more into Google products: it's too much of a risk to lose access to everything if Google wakes up one day and decides to suspend your account

There's a difference between Google's products and Google's services. You can use either one without the other. I am a happy user of Google hardware, and am even happier to be almost entirely extricated from their services.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by makeitdouble »

bandyaboot wrote: post #303
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296

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> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

I’m curious to know what you’re thinking as far as what bad outcome(s) will or may result from people choosing this over some other password manager.

The most basic scenario:

Someone use their phone as their only computing device (e.g. only other device is their school or work computer).

Their phone dies and the shop convinces them to go for a Pixel 9.

How screwed are they if everything was in iCloud, vs they were using 1Password ?

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by zer0zzz »

MrDarcy wrote: post #216
cletus wrote: post #168

Here's Apple's big problem: it's not a replacement for so many alternatives because it isn't supported on all platforms. Safari? Not on Windows. Apple Music? This actually has a Windows client. I'm not sure how good it is. But Spotify supports Windows and even Linux. Apple Password Manager? Will this be tied to iCloud? Will I be able to use it on Android? If I no longer have an iPhone will it be a pain to maintain an…

I use Apple Music and Apple Notes every day on my Debian workstation. Works like a charm.

Word. I do the same. The web versions aren't perfect but they do the job. There are way too many Android-only users in these comments that don't have a clue what they are talking about.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by zer0zzz »

Scarbutt wrote: post #318
MrDarcy wrote: post #216

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I use Apple Music and Apple Notes every day on my Debian workstation. Works like a charm.

Notes web version is pretty limited though, ex: can't attached images.

I use Notion in cases where it's too limited. Unfortunately notion charges for really large attachments.

Trick I do do sometimes is, just WhatsApp the files to myself and attach them from my phone

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by dxbednarczyk »

evilduck wrote: post #224
basisword wrote: post #218

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>> People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. With password management specifically, Apple has had a Chrome extension available for a while now which has allowed me to use it on other browsers/platforms. Not ideal, but good enough for most. On top of that, they don't lock you in with passwords. You can easily import and export your passw…

Besides the web client, https://cider.sh exists and is in various distro package managers already too.

...and is miles better than Apple's attempt at providing "support" for other platforms than their own.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by sooheon »

drcongo wrote: post #142
ipqk wrote: post #127

I've been an avid 1Password user for over 10 years, but since they gone full-throttle targeting the enterprise market, I'm getting more and more annoyed. It's increasingly buggy (right now, it thinks I haven't migrated from 1p7 which causes annoying interstitials that I can't close. Over a month and no fix yet.). They killed standalone vaults. Obvious feature requests (e.g archive an entire vault) sit there for years…

I'm only still on it because of team use, but if Apple's thing supports teams I'm gonna be so happy to get rid of it. I've been using it for nearly 20 years and it's been going down hill fast for the last 5, but 1Password 8 is an absolute clown car. It hijacks your passkey logins meaning that authenticating with Tailscale for me has gone from a single touch of the TouchID button on my Mac, to 1) click button that say…

You nailed my 8 step 1P unlock workflow. They've really done a great job standardizing the user experience.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by AnthonyMouse »

zer0zzz wrote: post #322
AnthonyMouse wrote: post #296

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I think this is exactly what _most_ people want. Like seven people replied to say this, but they're all missing the trick. Most people want this because they're guided to want it. If you show people the convenience but not the risk, of course they want something with an advantage and no apparent disadvantage. But the disadvantage exists, it's just not immediately obvious. Then some corporate machine learning algori…

"The people want the thing that they want because they are wrong" I never understood how this argument even makes sense. It sounds a whole lot like you're upset that most normal people don't care about and don't want what you want.

I feel like I explained it above. People often want things because they don't have all the information and people who are uninformed, especially when they're intentionally uninformed, make poor decisions.

And maybe there are some people who, faced with the risk of losing all their stuff, conclude that maybe all their stuff isn't that important to them and they don't have time for this YOLO! But there are even more people who never even consider the risk, and it seems like somebody should be looking out for them instead of people just saying "shut up nerd, normal people don't care about whatever you're worried about." Uh yeah, that's the problem, they're not made aware of it until it bites them on the ass and anybody who tries to express the concern on their behalf is told to keep their foot away from the hose of the money vacuum.

Re: Apple unveils 'Passwords' manager app at WWDC 2024

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Post by ascagnel_ »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #287
WheatMillington wrote: post #237

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>People don't want everything tied to one identity, one service, one login. This is EXACTLY what people want. Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public.

> Please remember that HN is not a cross section of the general public. Yup. I need to constantly keep that in mind, when I’m designing my software. Very often, the fact that I like it, is a negative.

What this forum needs is for its members to volunteer their time at their local library doing tech support. It’d be a rude awakening for a lot of folks.
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