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Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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They do not only list real estate, they own a lot of it and speculate with it thanks to their advantageous position.

I think you're confusing things slightly – I don't think idealista owns any property. They are however owned by a private equity group that invests among other things directly in real estate, which is tbf extremely common in PE.

There's no practical difference.

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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Idealista and all the real estate companies are the morons feeding the problem by putting the country for rent. They’re the reason people can’t afford a house and we have to talk about okupas in the first place.

First, I think okupas are a very small problem, mainly used for propaganda. But how are real state companies feeding the problem? The problem is that there's no houses available, because politicians create artificial scarcity. In any local government, the stronger department is "Urbanism", decides if you get rich by allowing you to develop on your property, or you stay poor because you don't get the permits. Come on,…

Companies and individuals who buy property to rent have direct negative effect on home prices. It's basic supply and demand, but a as soon a as you start talking to a landlord logic is out and mental gymnastics are in.

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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Buying a house and purposefully leaving it empty is immoral, sqatting or not.

No, it’s not. Living where you want, for free, is not a right.

Why it's not immoral? can you elaborate?

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"The rise of okupation"... but they make no references to data. Here is the data (in Spanish) [1]. The difference between trespassing (that somebody enters in the house you live) and usurpation (the house is yours but is not where you live) is very important. Both problems are way less prevalent than what appears on the media (see [1]), but trespassing is waaay lower (and as the owner you have better mechanisms to re…

If you make it financially risky to own a rental property you're also making it more risky and thus less profitable to buy and rent out apartments. This hurts both renters and the potential landlords. It would be much better to just increase property taxes.. Speaking as a Dane, this kind kind of economically illiterate leftist lawlessness is an important reason why Spain is poorer both poorer and has a worse welfare…

Currently there is a hard limit on how many properties per year can be built due to lack of construction workers + training positions for new workers + being sure of work in the next decade(s) due to economic cycles.

Since the factor limiting supply is not cost or demand, prices keep ever-increasing with no gains for society; just filling the coffers of the haves.

You should really watch out with insults of economic illiteracy :)

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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Buying a house and purposefully leaving it empty is immoral, sqatting or not.

No, it’s not. Living where you want, for free, is not a right.

Squatters doesn't make purposefully leaving houses vavent any less immoral.

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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> This "problem" is just for people with a lot of houses, rentist, that are part of the problem. 1) Is it illegal to have more than one house in Spain? 2) Do you pay proportionally more tax if you own more than one house in Spain?

Who is saying that? Who are you talking to?

You're saying that the "problem" is only for a cert class of people. People who bought their property lawfully and lawfully expect to make use of it when, if and how they desire. You seem to imply that they should not enjoy that right.

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"Making it too easy to get rid of squatters would expose the most vulnerable people in society to even more abuse, and making it trickier for absentee landlords to get rid of real squatters is considered a fair price to prevent this." Except this is poorly thought out and not really true. You can provide better protection for both sides by requiring written and recorded contracts for real property use/rental, just as…

So what happens when the law requires a contract yet the landlord doesn't offer a contract and simply collects the rent?

In England, if no contract exists but rent is being paid a tenant has quite alot of implied rights in law. Though enforcement of these rights would normally fall to larger organisations such as charities or councils rather than individual tenants. I remember a news story where a landlord was accepting casual rent for beds in sheds in the garden of a rented property who was brought to justice because the sheds were not habitable buildings.

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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And old rotten building sitting anywhere in a city is worth way more than 10.000€. Even if the building is not in good shape, the land is still valuable.

Right, and then the 80yo people living in a centenary house in a gentrified neighborhood suddenly get a 10x tax increase because the next door building got sold to be remodeled as a luxury condo, and drove property values through the roof. That's good, because if they can't pay, their house is up for remodelling too. /sarcasm

I'm open to being wrong but I believe the data shows, old people in the UK are living in houses that are too large and receiving pensions that rise with inflation whilst "young people" are paying huge rents, can't afford to buy and are stuck with huge student debt. Why shouldn't the old couple move to let 10x apartments be built? Or does the data show differently?

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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What's madness is the state allowing property owners to leave vacant, dilapidated buildings to blight the neighborhood. Owners should be required to maintain their structures and keep them occupied, or forfeit the property.

In germany, if you see such a abandoned property, you cannot even ask the authority who owns it, if you have the plans to buy it (you would have to rely on local people knowing and telling you). There are quite some neglected properties around here and the owners are away, do not care anymore and the authorities do not care as long as the low property taxes are paid. There was a case close by, where a buisness wanted…

Surely, before considering expropriation, we should tell people who owns a property so that they can offer to buy it. If that's too much a privacy concern, the government could simply relay the offer.

Re: Squatting in Spain: Understanding Spain's "okupas" problem

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Squatting is a problem, period. Doesn’t matter if the house is empty or not.

Buying a house and purposefully leaving it empty is immoral, sqatting or not.

But if "empty living space", space that's reserved but unused, is immoral would you extend it to any such reserved but unused living space?

Is an empty room in your house immoral? Or massively oversized rooms even if you live in them? In the end you're still blocking a lot of "empty space" that someone else could use if only there were smaller but more living units. Same applies when you live in a detached house and "blocking" any potential living space that could have existed on higher floors of a tall apartment building. Zoning laws can also be an issue but the question stands.

To put in in practical terms, one person having two 50sqm/550sqft apartments is immoral. One person having one 150sqm/1500sqft apartment is fine? Where is the line and how arbitrary do you want it to be?

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