DuckDuckGo was down • Hacker News Board

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by pythux » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:33 PM UTC

dextro42 wrote: post #260

altdataseller wrote: post #250

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It should remind them their entire livelihood is dependent on one single company. They arent partners at all. Its more like one is sustenance/oxygen for the other

But are they? Not asking for the contract side here but for the technical aspect. If DDG relies mostly on Bing and it fails forever in the future, they can "simply" make a contract with google and continue whatever they were doing. Same for OpenAI. Its not that Bing is the only search engine index on the web is it ? So yes, it would mean they have to spend a lot of manpower in a short time. On the other hand, how lik…

What makes you think that Google would agree to such a deal?

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by fattegourmet » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:35 PM UTC

roenxi wrote: post #275

rvnx wrote: post #186

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If you use Bing: You have "only" Microsoft Bing tracking you If you use DuckDuckGo: Now, you have "Yahoo Ads" instead of Microsoft Ads, but these ads, they are in fact Microsoft Ads, except sold via Yahoo. In front of these Yahoo Ads, DuckDuckGo actually adds its own click-through tracker. Now you have DDG, Yahoo and Microsoft tracking you. Bonus point if you click on an Amazon affiliate link, because in that case, t…

If you use a search product then someone is going to have your search history and it'll more-than-likely be provided to law enforcement in your country who are the #1 threat to you [0]. It'll also be sent to some sort of data centre for tracking and whatever commercial uses that tracking is good for. I've never understood how that would be a threat, but if you don't like it it comes almost baked in to the business mo…

your [0] is just silly. If a person is at risk from their state's law enforcement, handing over their search data to yandex just makes it easier for Russia to convert them into spying/sabotage activities through, e.g., extortion.

As you have noted, Russia is at war with the ~English-speaking world~ West, so it is much more likely to use this data against the users than in the past.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by mistyvales » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:35 PM UTC

Maybe it's an issue with their Bing connection..

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by victor_z » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:35 PM UTC

niutech wrote: post #316

devit wrote: post #253

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They probably start with Bing results and do custom filtering, ranking and presentation, so without the initial Bing results they can't do anything.

So basically DDG is the wrapper for Bing Search, not an "independent" search company as they claim.

Probably. But DDG at least offers more privacy, right?

Right?

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by markbeare » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:36 PM UTC

This probably relates to the Bing Search API. A lot of these alternative search engines are using Bing for the organic results.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by jklein11 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:39 PM UTC

is_true wrote: post #239

Probably nothing, or a rogue AI is taking over MS. This is the real world...if a tree falls in the forest and no one hears it

Go on... if a tree falls in the forest, and no one hears it... ?

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by victor_z » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:39 PM UTC

skeeter2020 wrote: post #318

rodondenderon wrote: post #306

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Besides getting the search engine wrong, it's still cool to see many more search engine alternatives to the big ones. I'll allow it.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:42 PM UTC

BirAdam wrote: post #276

FerretFred wrote: post #221

> "Update 1: Microsoft has confirmed an issue where users may be unable to access the Microsoft Copilot service" So not all bad then?!

So, uh, Copilot+PC, how much of their AI computer thing would be completely useless right now?

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Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by UI_at_80x24 » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:42 PM UTC

fp64 wrote: post #134

qwertox wrote: post #128

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"Please don't use Hacker News for political or ideological battle. That tramples curiosity" [0] [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I'm sorry, I did not realize that complaining about big corporations using their monopoly was considered political and ideological now, but I suppose it makes sense. Please excuse my previous comment, I agree it's not helpful, and I should have resisted the urge to voice my frustration with the direction I see the internet heading

FWIW, I agree with your post and disagree that it violates the rules.

Re: DuckDuckGo was down

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Post by marginalia_nu » Thu, May 23, 2024, 1:42 PM UTC

biglyburrito wrote: post #201

marginalia_nu wrote: post #138

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Most alternative search engines are backed by either Google or Bing. Some have their own indexes as well, but it's rare to see a fully independent search engine.

Kagi is indie & works just fine, because it doesn't leverage either Google or Bing. IMO it works as well as Google used to, back when it didn't serve up SEO-tuned garbage or straight-up malware sites in its first pages. https://kagi.com

That isn't true at all, it uses a bunch of different providers (including my own search engine).

"Our search results also include anonymized API calls to all major search result providers worldwide"

- https://help.kagi.com/kagi/search-details/search-sources.htm...