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AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by xcv123 »

arrowsmith wrote: post #299
xcv123 wrote: post #174

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The difference here is that no one wants to listen to this shit. It is extremely corny and generic. Cringeworthy. Algorithmic music has already been around for decades and it never became popular. In the 90's it was of interest only to a small group of academic music nerds. The same is true today. Avant-garde shit for nerds. No one wants to listen to it.

You must live under the world's largest rock if you don't think that there's a commercial audience for corny, generic, cringeworthy and shitty music.

I am under a rock of denial of how bad popular music has become. I was checking out some other tracks on this site and now believe AI could eventually take a lot of musicians jobs, for advertising and so on. But there won't be an AI Kurt Cobain.

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Post by tumult »

JoeAltmaier wrote: post #285
tumult wrote: post #269

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Humanity lost some things when it gained recorded music. It made the profession of performer less valuable, and diminished the number of performers who could make a living. But humanity got something very valuable in return — the ability to record and play back music. The same goes with the tradeoffs made for photography and motion pictures. I see little value to humanity in tools that are able to generate an endless…

"Music derived from existing music" describes almost all music ever written. So not any kind of argument against AI? And the quality of music generated by AI is increasing geometrically. Be careful to consider that any music heard today will be among the least quality generated by AI. Because it will get better with practice, at the speed of light. That first comment I can get behind, but probably not in the way inte…

> "Music derived from existing music" describes almost all music ever written. So not any kind of argument against AI?

I don't know why you are calling out this particular sentence fragment. That wasn't meant to differentiate AI-generated music from human created music.

> My conclusion? Get used to it.

What's the upside? I don't get it. I don't understand why you even replied to me. You didn't address the point I was making. The point was the examples I gave — photography, audio recordings, film — which are much closer to AI music than your examples of punch cards and looms — had clear upsides to humanity, despite also having some downsides. AI music and visual art seems to be almost entirely downside. Sorry to restate what I already wrote, but you didn't address it at all.

Re: AI-generated sad girl with piano performs the text of the MIT License

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Post by guitarlimeo »

jeffhuys wrote: post #282
viraptor wrote: post #27

While almost everything sounded really good and well put together, the voice itself has a constant... phaser? robotic vibrato? applied the whole time, which I found surprising. We've got better voice synthesis available already and other instruments don't suffer the same effect. I've not heard that before - does anyone know if that's specific to this model, or a more generic voice issue?

It’s called a vocoder. It allows for (for instance) a monotone-sung piece of text to follow a set of midi notes, by modulating it using a carrier wave (I think. Please correct any inaccuracies!). I use it sometimes in FL Studio when creating electronic music (plugin is called Vocodex). Presumably they take the AI-generated voice and generate midi notes, and apply a vocoder to the voice, following the notes.

I think that's just an artifact, as they can also produce heavy metal scream singing etc. It just mimics something that was in the training data.

My guess is that they train the vocals and the music separately, the training data is trivial to create from any tracks with tools like with https://vocalremover.org/.

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Post by oblio »

tumult wrote: post #271
TheCapeGreek wrote: post #195

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Agreed. Another side of it is that it will enable the creation of more music around more topics than before, by non-musicians. The accessibility bar is lower. For a lot of people, music is a way to express their emotions, and not just by creating/playing it, but by listening to it. Now, you'll be make your own hyper-specific music with lyrics around topics specific to you, without learning any of the underlying skill…

It will let you express yourself in precisely the same amount as giving those instructions to a person to create a song for you. Very little.

Memes, memes everywhere! :-)

> as giving those instructions to a person to create a song for you

Most people don't have access to such a person.

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Post by j-pb »

navane wrote: post #178

These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

Have you tried annotating the lyrics with stuff like (hook), (chorus), e.t.c. I've used chatgpt to generate the lyrics for a random word, while giving it some artist names to draw inspiration from and suno manages to put in most of the appropriate musical characteristic of the annotated segments. Most notably (chorus) and outro (outro) in this example: https://suno.com/song/23e1d6de-569c-4c19-9551-cfda8e1bcd5a

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

tumult wrote: post #323
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #285

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Music derived from existing music" describes almost all music ever written. So not any kind of argument against AI? And the quality of music generated by AI is increasing geometrically. Be careful to consider that any music heard today will be among the least quality generated by AI. Because it will get better with practice, at the speed of light. That first comment I can get behind, but probably not in the way inte…

> "Music derived from existing music" describes almost all music ever written. So not any kind of argument against AI? I don't know why you are calling out this particular sentence fragment. That wasn't meant to differentiate AI-generated music from human created music. > My conclusion? Get used to it. What's the upside? I don't get it. I don't understand why you even replied to me. You didn't address the point I was…

Except to say, poorly I suppose since the point didn't come across, Get Used To It.

This is nothing new, your examples are great ones too, the benefits we got are, lots more art for everybody. To take the side of the composer/performer/artist is natural I suppose, but that's such a tiny fraction of humanity. To ignore the clear and positive upside, even claim it doesn't exist, is disingenuous?

To criticise AI music for being the same as human music, is a curious thing to say if one doesn't want to distinguish the two somehow? I missed that point entirely I guess. I don't know why that sentence was there at all then.

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Post by postalrat »

twobitshifter wrote: post #306
navane wrote: post #178

These songs don't have any hooks. Melodies don't get repeated. They all just meander along. I think as they get better at making these great middle of the road songs, edgy music will reemerge. Whatever AI will be good at, will immediately devalue, in the realm of arts. Just how photography gave way to non-realistic art and how drum machines made sloppy drums (or ridiculous apex twins) hip. Then, the artifacts we see…

This is suno, udio was just released which is even better and seems to exhibit some edginess. https://x.com/minchoi/status/1778074187778683253?s=46 This will be used for jingles and scoring by low cost studios and marketers. Making money at music was already hard and will only get harder. But maybe this makes sense in a way, music creation just became much easier and accessible to more people. Alongside this prompt b…

I tried udio a bit yesterday and found it produces clearer audio but the music it produces isn't nearly as good as suno. At least to my ear.

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Post by JoeAltmaier »

corobo wrote: post #280
JoeAltmaier wrote: post #273

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So that means, let me get this right, the real you is the one that likes to make cruel remarks and practice being hurtful any chance you get? Do I have it right? I like to think I can be decent even when not required to, even when it won't come back to me.

Internet rule: if a comment starts with "So" it's going to be the least charitable version of what you said, haha. Nah. If I were reviewing something without having been given the instruction "please be truthful, I need to make this perfect" or similar, I would default to encouraging the skill rather than trying to help perfect the output. In doing so I would overlook minor issues that will iron out with experience a…

Fair enough.

I remain convinced, struggling to complain about the quality of the song in unflattering terms is vacuous commenting. I wonder why people want to do that at all.

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Post by tumult »

oblio wrote: post #325
tumult wrote: post #271

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It will let you express yourself in precisely the same amount as giving those instructions to a person to create a song for you. Very little.

Memes, memes everywhere! :-) > as giving those instructions to a person to create a song for you Most people don't have access to such a person.

I know. I was saying it’s not expressive. I didn’t say that everyone has people to make music for them.
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