Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI • Hacker News Board

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by anamax » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:01 PM UTC

MyFirstSass wrote: post #318

samstave wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan - This is most likely the reason being the SAMA firing, to be able to re-align to the MIC without terrible consequence, from a PR perspective. no criticism here aside from the fact that we will see the AI killer fully autonomous robots will be here and unfettered by 'alignments' much sooner than we expected... And the MIC is where all…

> no criticism here aside from the fact that we will see the AI killer fully autonomous robots will be here and unfettered by 'alignments' much sooner than we expected... What exactly do you mean with this sentence? That less woke/regulated companies will suddenly leapfrog the giants now? What timeframe are we talking here? And do you mean for example non public mil applications from US/China or whatever or private m…

> That less woke/regulated companies will suddenly leapfrog the giants now?

What kind of "leapfrog" do you think is necessary to produce a "killer fully autonomous robot"?

We've actually had "autonomous killer robots," machines that kill based on the outcome of some sensor plus processing, for centuries, and fairly sophisticated ones have been feasible for decades. (For example it's trivial to build a "killer robot" that triggers off of face or voice recognition.)

The only thing that's changed recently is the kind of decisions and how effectively the robot can go looking for someone to kill.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by JCM9 » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:03 PM UTC

alephnerd wrote: post #319

JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

> Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training Kinda. In my experience, the bigger issue is the skillset has largely been diffused. Overtraining on internal corpora has been more than enough to enable automation benefits, and the ecosystem around ML is very robust now - 10 years ago SDKs like Scikit-learn or PyTorch were much less r…

I agree with you. My reference in business questioning value was on the flood of money going into building new models. That’s where we will see a significant and painful culling soon as it’s all becoming quite commoditized and there’s only so much room in the market when that happens. Tooling, security services and other things to build on top of a commoditized generative AI market opens up other doors for products to be built.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by ASinclair » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:05 PM UTC

JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

> Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training.

Not just training but inference too, right? They have to make money off each query.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by evilduck » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:06 PM UTC

polygamous_bat wrote: post #245

kalkr wrote: post #219

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decentralization != coinshit

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emad_Mostaque Read his Wikipedia page and tell me he doesn’t sound like your run of the mill crypto scammer. > He claims that he holds B.A. and M.A. degrees in mathematics and computer science from the University of Oxford.[7][8] However, according to him, he did not attend his graduation ceremony to receive his degrees, and therefore, he does not technically possess a BA or an MA.[7]

In the US attending your graduation ceremony has zero bearing on whether the university recognizes if you achieved a degree or not. Is the UK or Oxford different in this regard? Who cares if someone attended a ceremony. This sounds fraudulent at first glance. People with legit credentials don't need to add technicalities to their claim.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by MyFirstSass » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:10 PM UTC

anamax wrote: post #321

MyFirstSass wrote: post #318

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> no criticism here aside from the fact that we will see the AI killer fully autonomous robots will be here and unfettered by 'alignments' much sooner than we expected... What exactly do you mean with this sentence? That less woke/regulated companies will suddenly leapfrog the giants now? What timeframe are we talking here? And do you mean for example non public mil applications from US/China or whatever or private m…

> That less woke/regulated companies will suddenly leapfrog the giants now? What kind of "leapfrog" do you think is necessary to produce a "killer fully autonomous robot"? We've actually had "autonomous killer robots," machines that kill based on the outcome of some sensor plus processing, for centuries, and fairly sophisticated ones have been feasible for decades. (For example it's trivial to build a "killer robot"…

Of course we're there already sadly. I was just confused by the sentence structure.

This video is from 7 years ago: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ecClODh4zYk

The interesting thing is who's actively working on this, any despots, private companies, foreign nations, who from the talent pool, criminal orgs or even western military which mostly works for the western elite classes.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by nerdbert » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:14 PM UTC

bamboozled wrote: post #273

Hendrikto wrote: post #272

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> Not only Adobe perhaps knows better than anyone else what is need and workflow of a moviemaker I only ever heard creatives complain about Adobe and their UI/UX and how they don’t understand their customers. Never really used any of their products myself though. Maybe they still are best-in-class. I can’t tell.

People love illustrator

Only because Adobe forced them to by murdering Freehand in front of their eyes.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by narrator » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:17 PM UTC

You just got to bribe a few key AI researchers to completely control the future of humanity, lol.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by keyringlight » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:18 PM UTC

ASinclair wrote: post #323

JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

> Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Not just training but inference too, right? They have to make money off each query.

I'm fairly sure this is why there's a rush to get AI related capabilities into processors for consumer devices, to offload that computing so they don't bear the ongoing cost and it'll probably be more responsive to the user.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by sinuhe69 » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:18 PM UTC

6 months ago, I expressed my doubt about the viability of Stability business model on HN News. Mostaque answered the questions with a resounding yes and claimed the business of Stability.AI is better than ever.

Today he resigned.

Re: Emad Mostaque resigned as CEO of Stability AI

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Post by JCM9 » Sat, Mar 23, 2024, 4:19 PM UTC

ASinclair wrote: post #323

JCM9 wrote: post #307

2024 is going to shift into a tough year for AI. Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Many/most of the GenAI companies have interesting ideas but no real business plan. Many of the larger AI companies look very shaky in terms of their governance and long term stability. Stability is showing itself to be very unstable, OpenA…

> Business minded folks are already starting to deeply question where the value is relative to the amount of money spent on training. Not just training but inference too, right? They have to make money off each query.

Yes. Each query needs to generate enough revenue to pay for the cost of running the query, a proportional cost of the cost to train the original model, overhead, SG&A, etc. just to break even. Few have shown a plan to do that or explained in a defensible way how they’re going to get there.

A challenge at the moment is a lot of the AI movement is led by folks that are brilliant technologists but have little to no experience running viable businesses or building a viable business plan. That was clearly part of why OpenAI has its turmoil in that some where trying to be tech purists where others knew the whole AI space will implode if it’s not a viable business. To some degree that seems to behind a lot of the recent chaos inside these larger AI companies.