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Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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> Land is still just as important "Important", but not "just as important". Land used to be synonymous with wealth, because you needed land to support the peasants who grew the surplus that fed your army. Now? Now we have enough spare land to have national parks and substantial re-wilding programs. Labour is still important, but also not "just as important" — all the improvements from each of the three industrial rev…

We're already at that point though, at least in the developed world. Everyone's fed, clothed and housed even if they earn no money. But people still want money! They want more than the minimum. If we all have those yachts and personal factories, that'll be the default for unemployed people and everyone will still want money for whatever the poorest still can't afford, which I guess might be paying other people to do…

Over-consumption is a one-way implication with unbounded desire, not a two-way implication.

We're fed to the point we have obesity, but most of us still stop eating at a certain point.

We're oversupplied with material goods to the point that storage lockers for excess stuff is a big industry, but most of us don't hoard to that degree, and it's weird when we see people who do.

We're oversupplied with light to the point that we've got to remind ourselves to turn them down at night, but we do turn them off.

We do reach saturation points with these things, despite over-consumption.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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I still don’t understand the safety concerns. I see a 0% chance that we can control a superhuman AI. What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? Alignment meaning that people would think of ants first instead of whatever their current ranking is. Maybe they’re in the top 10000 priorities

Can you describe how it would be uncontrollable to us? Everyone says this but no one has any details. Also, > What could ants invent to keep humans aligned with them? I think humans aren't _not_ aligned with ants. I don't go out searching to destroy all ants, or really worry at all, we just kinda coexist.

This is just typical doomer stupidity.

Of course, no one goes around trying to stomp on every ant hill they can because ants aren't good at math.

Not to mention, so much competition in humans is related to sexual competition. I suspect many doomers have no sex life and much of these ideas are projecting sexual frustrations on to AGI and AI.

The computer/software is not going to build a harem and try to eliminate competitors to the harem. Assuming software possessing being and consciousness isn't complete nonsense, even assuming the software is not an asexual being, humans and software are not going to be competing for the same sexual patterns lol.

This whole line of thought is just ridiculous.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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We're already at that point though, at least in the developed world. Everyone's fed, clothed and housed even if they earn no money. But people still want money! They want more than the minimum. If we all have those yachts and personal factories, that'll be the default for unemployed people and everyone will still want money for whatever the poorest still can't afford, which I guess might be paying other people to do…

Over-consumption is a one-way implication with unbounded desire, not a two-way implication. We're fed to the point we have obesity, but most of us still stop eating at a certain point. We're oversupplied with material goods to the point that storage lockers for excess stuff is a big industry, but most of us don't hoard to that degree, and it's weird when we see people who do. We're oversupplied with light to the poin…

Sure. And we're over-supplied with breathing air to the point that nobody bothers to store it in bottles for a low-air day. I don't think we can reach saturation supply of everything we might possibly want because we're naturally competitive, explorative and status-seeking and will just invent new things to want, even if they're zero sum. Those things will probably be able to be bought with money.

Re: OpenAI board reappoints Altman and adds three other directors

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you make a good point. But let's explore that drive. if you looked at great inventors say like Nobel, who amassed a fortune based on research and innovation - would you characterize him driven by greed ? Why ? Is he any different from say Philo Farnsworth, or Louis Pasteur who never became wealthy ? Were they not driven by the same drive as Nobel ? Is the drive to succeed different for these sets of people? Truth is…

Very good questions. Even though I haven't studied the topic rigorously, I would like to offer my impression. People are very bad at reasoning about motives of others. Faulty syllogism goes: Nobel invented dynamite. He became wealthy. Therefore, he must have been driven by desire for wealth. Same goes for Pasteur, of course. Maybe he was driven by desire for wealth, but couldn't succeed. My Bayesian senses tell me th…

You nailed it.

I think -but i'm not certain!- that we have english words for those that "eat others' pie rather" vs "making a bigger cake". I think this is greed, and driven, respectively.

But as you say, we are extremely bad at ascertaining motives of others. So either we get lazy and reduce others to bring them to our level, or we are naturally suspicious and do so anyway.

I'd love to know more of a system that doesn't reward greed. We have laws in place to stop outright theft, but at least in countries like USA and Switzerland, laws do an extremely poor job at making certain politicians that come into politics dirt-poor, stay poor, while in office and even afterwards. That to me is exactly one aspect of the system that must change.

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