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Epic says Apple will reinstate developer account

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Post by adastra22 »

leereeves wrote: post #140
adastra22 wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think monopoly is the right word here.

I think monopoly is the right word because their really are two markets. A customer is only looking for either iOS or Android apps, and isn't going to choose an Android app if they have an iPhone, or vice versa (IOW, iOS apps don't compete with Android apps). Imagine only one company sold diesel fuel, and only one sold gasoline. Wouldn't you say they each had a monopoly?

This is an example of vendor lockin, which is a troubling practice that needs to be stopped, but it is legally and practically distinct from monopoly as defined in antitrust legislation.

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Post by jachee »

iwontberude wrote: post #48
Vespasian wrote: post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In the best case they are learning that, due to their own behaviour, they are now sharing custody of the EU app store with an adminstrative bureocracy. But I suspect it'll take them more time until it fully sinks and until they are done testing their new boundaries. Well done.

So happy to see the will of elected officials usurp a multinational. There is literally nothing to dislike about this.

I can’t even tell if I should apply Poe’s Law here.

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Post by ncr100 »

spacedcowboy wrote: post #108
astlouis44 wrote: post #41

Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

According to the article it was because Epic met with Apple and gave better assurances that they'd play ball rather than deliberately break their contract like they did last time. Regulators don't seem to have had anything to do with it. --- So what changed? Apple tells 9to5Mac that it has held further discussions with Epic. The result is that Apple has received proper commitment that Epic will play by the rules as l…

> According to the article it was because [...]

Not fully the truth, however -- according to APPLE, who are quoted in this one article. Tim Sweeny tweeted that the change was due to the EU DMA political proponents applying pressure to Apple.

The truth is not known, and it's not limited to Apple's side.

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Post by mike_d »

nielsbot wrote: post #266
astlouis44 wrote: post #41

Amazing how fast this decision was reversed. It's truly awesome to see regulators standing up to walled gardens. This will greatly benefit both developers and consumers.

From the article > “Following conversations with Epic, they have committed to follow the rules, including our DMA policies. As a result, Epic Sweden AB has been permitted to re-sign the developer agreement and accepted into the Apple Developer Program.”

This needs to be higher up. Apple didn't budge, or cave, and regulators did not get involved.

Epic could have avoided all this by just responding to Apple and signing the EU Addendum affirming they would stick to the laws. Instead they wanted to get into the news cycle.

This is the policy they have to agree to: https://developer.apple.com/contact/request/download/alterna...

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Post by hu3 »

camdenlock wrote: post #314

Very depressing to see y’all cheering when the state gains more power. We should cheer when the state is kept in check. You have the choice to buy a Samsung phone instead of an Apple phone; most people don’t have the choice to switch governments.

I'd rather trust a democratic state than a greedy company, directed by a few individuals, who's sole goal is to maximize profit.

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Post by beeboobaa »

evilduck wrote: post #281
spogbiper wrote: post #159

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I don't think we can really know the potential of PWA, since most developers aren't going to put effort into PWAs if they won't work for a big chunk of the market. Apple is effectively strangling the technology on all platforms by refusing to support it on theirs.

If PWAs had any merit at all, why would anyone build a native Android app today where all these magic features are inhibited? What's actually missing that's stopping this from working?

> What's actually missing that's stopping this from working?

Proper support on all platforms. No point working on PWAs that have janky tooling (reason: see previous sentence) when they're only going to work decently on Android devices anyway.

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Post by newZWhoDis »

corytheboyd wrote: post #166
w4 wrote: post #148

Between this and the PWA decision, Apple seems to be flailing. What is leadership doing?

Right? They make so much money, what’s the deal. Seems like they let the MBAs take over. I get that not all money they make is liquid, but a rounding error to Apple would be enough money to change someone’s life.

Engineers who do not actively purge bean counters from their orgs will end up being ruled by them.

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Post by justin66 »

bee_rider wrote: post #241
basil-rash wrote: post #220

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Like the ones they went into in the following sentence?

Hey now, they’d have to read all the way to the second paragraph to get to the nuance. You can’t expect people to read two paragraphs before starting to argue.

Contradicting yourself isn't "nuance," it's bad writing.
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