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Post by renewiltord »

hughesjj wrote: post #318
tristor wrote: post #289

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is literally presumption of guilt based on where someone was born. Not where someone is born, but whom they owe allegiance to. If you do not discriminate based on someone's allegiances, then on what basis would you expect it to be appropriate to discriminate? The idea that all discrimination is immoral or unethical is not only suspect, it's clearly foolhardy. China is an enemy to everyone who is not China, the…

Being born someone does not force you to have an undying allegiance to that place, what are you on about?

It's amusing that every alternative comment is the guy expressly saying he's talking about nationality held and who they hold allegiance to, and every response is a misunderstanding.

This is normal stuff. You can even lose your US dual citizenship if you serve in another nation's armed forces.

I actually pasted the sequence into ChatGPT and it seems to comprehend him easier than people responding to him. It is always interesting when the Turing test is failed because the bot is too smart and capable of comprehension.

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Post by riku_iki »

billy99k wrote: post #128

This doesn't surprise me. I knew someone that intentionally graduated with a specific major, so they could get a job in that industry and send trade secrets/IP back to China. The purpose was to create a competing company. It didn't work out for them that well. They couldn't last more than 6 months at any one company and I think eventually gave up and went back home.

> get a job in that industry and send trade secrets

so, is there a clear line between: steal trade secret, and applied learned experience in new company the way everyone does?

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Post by riku_iki »

EasyMark wrote: post #307
blackoil wrote: post #293

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> All organizations and citizens shall support, assist, and cooperate with national intelligence efforts in accordance with law, and shall protect national intelligence work secrets they are aware of. That's as vague as it can be. Does any country not have similar laws?

I've never heard of that as a requirement for US citizens. I mean the government can't compel you to be a spy (industrial or espionage) last I checked. I'd be happy to be corrected. I mean you can totally volunteer for it though, of course.

nothing prevents government from creating such law or executive order if necessary.

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Post by bredren »

wg0 wrote: post #210

What exactly sterling secrets looks like? Suppose I work on a video streaming service. Spent 8 years. Now I know in and out of it. The ffmpeg the queues the buckets the meta data and what not. Someone hires me. I build a steaming service. But this time I'm much more polished and faster. Is this stealing too?

As a sibling comment mentions, it depends.

If you want to learn more, there is a thing called clean-room development which is a process used to reduce the legal risk of copyright and intellectual property violations.

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Post by akira2501 »

archagon wrote: post #312
tristor wrote: post #228

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> It's the stated policy of the Chinese government that /all/ Chinese nationals are responsible to participate in, aid, and abet Chinese intelligence efforts > If you hire Chinese nationals in your tech company, you can be assured they are committing espionage One does not follow the other. Prejudice. I have a dual citizenship, and my other government says all sorts of things about my supposed allegiances that I vehe…

> Prejudice

Yes. What other form of insurance could I use here?

> I have a dual citizenship, [...] I am not my governments’ property.

No one is the property of their government but you have openly decided to split your allegiances. Anyways, you can only have this dual citizenship because both of these governments have decided to allow it, and that could change tomorrow.

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Post by falcor84 »

20after4 wrote: post #317
archagon wrote: post #312

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> It's the stated policy of the Chinese government that /all/ Chinese nationals are responsible to participate in, aid, and abet Chinese intelligence efforts > If you hire Chinese nationals in your tech company, you can be assured they are committing espionage One does not follow the other. Prejudice. I have a dual citizenship, and my other government says all sorts of things about my supposed allegiances that I vehe…

> I am not my governments’ property. Your government might have a different opinion on the subject.

The British once believed that pretty much the entire world population were their subjects (as have many other empires), but we didn't let that stop us.

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Post by nindalf »

riku_iki wrote: post #323
EasyMark wrote: post #307

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never heard of that as a requirement for US citizens. I mean the government can't compel you to be a spy (industrial or espionage) last I checked. I'd be happy to be corrected. I mean you can totally volunteer for it though, of course.

nothing prevents government from creating such law or executive order if necessary.

Nothing except the Constitution. Seems like an open and shut 1A case.

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wg0 wrote: post #210

What exactly sterling secrets looks like? Suppose I work on a video streaming service. Spent 8 years. Now I know in and out of it. The ffmpeg the queues the buckets the meta data and what not. Someone hires me. I build a steaming service. But this time I'm much more polished and faster. Is this stealing too?

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