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Quite a few died in their own homes. Worth mentioning the IDF know where everyone in Gaza lives.
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Can you support that claim?
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That's a remarkably small number. It makes me think journalists weren't present in the warzone at all. Irrespective of which side you support, Hamas is notorious for colocating themselves among civilians. An elevated civilian death count, including journalists is to be expected. However, the numbers being THIS high in this short a time is alarming and tragic.
> Hamas is notorious for colocating themselves among civilians. I despise Hamas, but this claim is disingenuous propaganda (by the leaders who make it, not the parent who repeats it): First, Hamas is 'notorious' for it because it's endlessly repeated by their enemies. That rhetoric doesn't make anything true. (Haven't we had the Internet long enough that people know it well by now?) Second, Hamas is an assymetric, ir…
I agree with the premise that Hamas wouldn't be able to fight open battles. But it doesn't make using human shields (directly by putting military infrastructure in civilian ones or indirectly by not distinguishing themselves) not their fault. The death of human shields is their responsibility, and their alone (without getting into details of which part of dead civilians is actually due to being human shields). Of course, that is a sacrifice they are willing to make, but why would you justify it?
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#323For context, a total of 69 journalists were killed in WWII, 63 in the Vietnam war both of which lasted several years. As of today March 6th 2024, the Gaza invasion has left 86 journalists dead in less than 4 months. That is an amazingly high percentage for the expected mean in a conflict. Sources: https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/israel... https://www.icij.org/inside-icij/2024/02/over-75-of-all-j…
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>> Hamas using hospitals
It's going to take decades just to unwind this one statement.
Look at the history of Al Shifa hospital and who has been in control of it at what times. It is storied, and messy.
This conflict has added to it in a major way, and may represent the second largest intelligence failure of the IDF in this whole mess (the first being missing the attack all together).
The build up to them taking the hospital, was impressive. Like it was going to be some major turning point in the conflict. They told everyone that there was a base under the hospital, that it was a command center under there for Hamas.
The actual taking of the hospital had some reporters embedded, who were oddly silent about what was found... We did get some good photo opportunities of IDF soldiers standing next to boxes of aid.
Days later the videos come out. We're talking now about the 'hospital complex'. They bulldozed a wall, and then dug a hole to get to a tunnel entrance. The "tunnels" and a rooms went under and were "attached" to a pharmacy next door.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alleged_military_use_of_al-Shi...
Was this a massive intel failure for the US and the IDF? Did Hamas pull off one of the greatest dis and mis information campaigns of the last 100 years? Did the IDF outright lie to the US? What really happened here is going to be one for the history books and I hope I live long enough to see it unravel.
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> Well not like all others, this one has Jews in it, so it gets extra attention. What's that supposed to mean?
Well, let's quiz you then: What country currently has millions of people are risk of starving to death due to war?
I'll give you more clues: it's also one of the largest mass displacements of people due to war in current times, with plenty of rape and ethnic cleansing.
I will of course want to see how many comments you've posted about the topic, and how many HN submissions. Since obviously this war is many times larger than Gaza, so should command a much larger portion of your attention.
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> Hamas based their operations where conventional rules of war prohibit fire. This has not stopped the IDF
Yes, and if you look up the rules of war you will see that if you base your operations there the enemy is allowed to attack it. Besides a desire to not kill your civilian population that's another reason countries don't do that. But Hamas doesn't care for civilians.
> But Hamas doesn't care for civilians.
Are these civilians not their families and communities? According to Hamas does death for their cause not earn you points for your glorious after life? You have to understand their beliefs to understand how they justify their actions. I have no doubt what they are doing is sensible to them else why would they do it?
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Can you support that claim?
The 'claim' that it bombed churches?
https://www.wsj.com/video/israeli-airstrike-hits-orthodox-ch...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Church_of_Saint_Porphyrius_air...
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> (1) Definition of journalist (2) quantity of journalists (3) willingness to be on the very front lines in order to get better stories (4) technology enabling journalists thus being able to be more dangerous spots. How have these things changed, and how have the changes affected the number of journalists killed? The changes could reduce the number. My point is, we need much less speculation and possibilities, and mu…
Internet does not allow nearly all to be publishers? Does not foster many small online news sources? Has number of news sources not gone up with rise of the internet? Outsourcing of news collection by global news sources to (technology connected) hired locals has not gone up? Number doing (and claiming to be doing) journalism has not gone up?
But the claim isn't that a guy who happened to be on TikTok at the time was hit by a bomb.
The claim is Israel is killing people in bright blue vests marked PRESS and in cars with PRESS written across the sides and roof.
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Compare it to the Russia/Ukraine war. Not even close. In any case Israel is not conducting a war, they are conducting a massacre.
The double standards are pretty breath-taking - Russia's conduct in Ukraine was labelled a genocide, but Israel's conduct is comparatively white-washed. While the initial cause for war is obviously different, that does not justify war crimes. I don't think western-brained folks realise how bad this looks to the rest of the world. For example to India, and the amount damage it does to the West's reputation.
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> Furthermore, there have been so few western journalists on the ground because Israel (and Egypt) prevented them from entering, I think this prohibition alone should be considered unacceptable in the 21 century I think the prohibition is wrong, but what do you think "real journalists" can offer people that isn't already being spread around? We are inundated with stories from this conflict; what is CNN going to add t…
The Hamas may(?) have less leverage over foreign reporters. For local reporters there's a history of Hamas threatening and using violence against the reporters and their families to get the kind of reporting they want. I agree with the observation that many of those outlets are mouthpieces for their respective government though. Here are a few references to keep in mind when thinking about journalists working in Gaza…
What matters most from the journalists is their video reports, especially the live ones
In the current situation I don't think Hamas can exert very much control on the population, anyhow.
The handful of times that other journalists managed to enter, by the way, they confirmed what had been reported (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SdIZmZr29L0)
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> Furthermore, there have been so few western journalists on the ground because Israel (and Egypt) prevented them from entering, I think this prohibition alone should be considered unacceptable in the 21 century I think the prohibition is wrong, but what do you think "real journalists" can offer people that isn't already being spread around? We are inundated with stories from this conflict; what is CNN going to add t…
The Hamas may(?) have less leverage over foreign reporters. For local reporters there's a history of Hamas threatening and using violence against the reporters and their families to get the kind of reporting they want. I agree with the observation that many of those outlets are mouthpieces for their respective government though. Here are a few references to keep in mind when thinking about journalists working in Gaza…
As to the reliability of some more reputable news sources, anyhow... https://www.theguardian.com/media/2024/feb/04/cnn-staff-pro-...