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Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by AviationAtom »

emceestork wrote: post #31

I switched to Bluesky but then moved back to twitter. I'm glad that they are trying to compete with Twitter (Twitter is a conservative cesspool), but all of my non-technical friends have stayed on Twitter. So, I end up going where they are. I think the reason my friends did not join Bluesky despite me inviting them is that it just isn't as good of a product as Twitter. You can't post videos or DM. I am not a tech exe…

This whole thread is oof. Modern politics, to include both sides of the spectrum, has devolved rapidly. It feels like a real-life version of the Spiderman meme.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by wmf »

eropple wrote: post #309
wmf wrote: post #177

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That gives me a great idea: If you self-host your PDS you can have video but moochers don't get it.

Sure, but that's Scary(tm), because an unexpected viral skeet is going to cost you a lot of money. In this case I'd expect almost all video to be fraudulent--either in terms of pirated egress or in terms of disinfomation scams.

Obviously you should choose a hosting provider that doesn't allow bandwidth overages.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by wmf »

treyd wrote: post #288
wmf wrote: post #217

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If they really want to they can fix this by closing the central server.

They would never do that since BS has VCs to answer to now.

It depends on their business model. Maybe running the server can't make money anyway.

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Post by nyolfen »

charcircuit wrote: post #275
jakebsky wrote: post #213

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Thanks for Caddy, Matt! Some of us on the team have been using Caddy for years, for many of our projects. Because it's so simple, sufficiently high performance, and has lots of nice features. The on-demand TLS certificates with an "ask" endpoint is especially useful for the PDS use-case. Because there's generally a wildcard DNS name that is used to give each new user a domain handle (@alice.example.com) but we don't…

Even if it may be simple in some areas, it doesn't handle edge cases such as https://github.com/caddyserver/caddy/issues/1632 in other areas out of the box unlike other server software.

you have been repeatedly posting this incredibly niche complaint for years at this point

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Post by crossroadsguy »

steveklabnik wrote: post #152
DiggyJohnson wrote: post #140

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Can you at a high level explain why people are mad about this? Is there a difference in the sort of people on Bluesky vs Mastodon, or is it a technical disagreement?

Again, please keep in mind that this is my perception of others' arguments, and so may have some bias. I am going to try and counteract that with my wording here, but maybe someone who holds this position can drop by and give their own summary. I have seen two main complaints: * This is opt-out not opt-in, and I don't like that. * BlueSky is bad because it is run by a company (sometimes with a suggestion that Jack Do…

Anything run by someone like Jack Dorsey should be away from something like fediverse. He literally killed third party ecosystem on Twitter after multiple times begging developers to come and revive the platform. Without those third party apps Twitter would not have been anywhere close to the size it reached.

Yes, he, Dorsey, did it. I don’t should discount that one bit!

Should we give him or people like him another chance? Fuck no. History is filled with examples of embrace and extinguish. Let’s wish him luck for AT Proto (actually BSKY; he is not interested in AT; AT is the bait, the lure, because he knows well people will just flock the first and the biggest).

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Post by zackify »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #319
zackify wrote: post #302

I just got this setup using Docker on https://fly.io . It's running with wayyyy less resources than the github suggested. I am on a shared cpu with 512mb of ram running the container. Could be a little simpler to setup, if the docs provided a docker run example without the shell scripts. Also has some duplicate env variables. For anyone interested, I shared it in the discord: https://discord.com/channels/120702437954…

You have shared a discord link. Does it allow publicly accessible links now? I was shown a login/signup screen.

The invite link is in the blog post. Assuming anyone can go to it after joining.

In the example I just hard code the env variables to demonstrate, but you’d want them in secrets after testing it out.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by wmf »

grey_earthling wrote: post #316

I haven't followed the tech of Bluesky or the AT Protocol closely: does this step mean that people can now set up their own Bluesky instances? Where can I see one in the wild?

Bluesky doesn't have "instances", it has PDSes, Relays, and AppViews. People can run their own PDSes but PDSes are kind of invisible so you won't "see" them. You'll just see the whole Bluesky network as usual.

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Post by icehawk »

Angostura wrote: post #317
Repulsion9513 wrote: post #259

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When you share a public post on Mastodon, you are by implication licensing that content for redistribution. Because other Mastodon servers have to redistribute it in order for anyone on another instance to see it. Hope that helps you understand the basic stuff here. (Either that or every Mastodon server in existence is a massive copyright violation, which is frankly quite possible given how bad copyright law is)

> When you share a public post on Mastodon, you are by implication licensing that content for redistribution…. … on Mastodon

...on a server that speaks ActivityPub. Mastodon is one such piece of software.

Re: Bluesky announces data federation for self hosters

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Post by wmf »

crossroadsguy wrote: post #325
steveklabnik wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Again, please keep in mind that this is my perception of others' arguments, and so may have some bias. I am going to try and counteract that with my wording here, but maybe someone who holds this position can drop by and give their own summary. I have seen two main complaints: * This is opt-out not opt-in, and I don't like that. * BlueSky is bad because it is run by a company (sometimes with a suggestion that Jack Do…

Anything run by someone like Jack Dorsey should be away from something like fediverse. He literally killed third party ecosystem on Twitter after multiple times begging developers to come and revive the platform. Without those third party apps Twitter would not have been anywhere close to the size it reached. Yes, he, Dorsey, did it. I don’t should discount that one bit! Should we give him or people like him another…

Bluesky isn't run by Jack Dorsey BTW. It kind of looks like he disowned it.

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Post by screenoridesagb »

celdon25 wrote: post #285
elpool2 wrote: post #64

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I think everything you said was fair, but you also mentioned Twitter being a conservative cesspool, and a lot these features like federation and composable moderation are designed to help prevent the whole "rich guy buys the company and turns it into something you don't like" scenario.

It's really unfortunate that the tech companies set the precedent in the first place by pushing hard political agendas into their policies and moderation biases. If it was truly neutral in the first place we would not be having this conversation. All the people complaining only now about Twitter doing this are part of the problem.

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