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Re: Nokia made too many phones

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Post by miki123211 »

mardifoufs wrote: post #192
miki123211 wrote: post #186

Another problem with Nokia was that there was absolutely no logic to the model numbering. You could have an entry-level, 10-year-old handset with a higher model number than the latest and greatest Nokia had to offer. If somebody told you they had a Foo 206 and you had a Bar 398 Classic, you knew nothing about how their phone compared to yours. Not how old it was, not how good it was, nothing whatsoever. The sheer amo…

Honestly I never understand why so many corporations do exactly that error with their naming schemes. Sony does it for everything too, even though it's gotten better. It's just such a self own marketing wise, even if it makes it easier to differentiate between different variants of the same product. Samsung does the same for their TVs and appliances but at least they got it right with their phones: there's a "public"…

Samsung gets it right, but only as long as you stay inside the same "model family". For example, "how does the S23 compare to the A53" isn't a question you can answer by looking at the model numbers alone. They could have used something like "S2X basic", or even keep the A/J/S distinction but make the numbering consistent.

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Post by plussed_reader »

monknomo wrote: post #308
plussed_reader wrote: post #180

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Snake predates Nokia mobile phones. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Snake_(video_game_genre)

We are talking about apps and games on nokia phones; of those apps and games, snake was fine. Point to where I said snake was novel, or nokia invented snake

Right, and MS didn't invent solitaire but it is a beloved app on win95. If you're selling the OS on built-in ports of older games I think you're reaching.

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Post by int_19h »

giantrobot wrote: post #311
int_19h wrote: post #262

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Their real purpose is to look "premium". How else would you explain the use of glass on the back of the phone? It's certainly not ergonomics - there are materials that are both stronger and grippier. But it's certainly shiny.

iPhones are built with super tight tolerances. Using the same (or similar enough) materials on opposing sides means not having to deal with different thermal expansion properties. Glass is also radio transparent which makes the NFC radio and wireless charging much easier. It likely doesn't hurt with cellular and WiFi reception either. It's also not going to interfere with the MagSafe magnets.

Somehow Android phones manage to do NFC and wireless charging just fine without glass back panels. And tighter tolerances are exactly that - "premium look".

Re: Nokia made too many phones

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Post by xp84 »

rusticpenn wrote: post #27
bborud wrote: post #23

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I think Apple succeeded because they were outsiders. I worked for a telco 2 years after the iPhone came out and for years I met a lot of people who denied what was happening while it was happening. Because “we know how this works”. 15 years ago a lot of telco execs thought smart phones would be a small niche for the next 10 years. And would play only a minuscule role in “emerging markets”.

Nokia N900 was pretty awesome and Maemo was a great OS. Unfortunately killed by internal politics.

I bought an N800 when the iPhone was new. Figured the extravagant data plan wasn’t important and that the wide (it felt like 18:9!) screen MUST be a better idea for using the web.

Ironically the mobile web was basically built after that, and built specifically for portrait screens!

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Post by xp84 »

acdha wrote: post #223
ascagnel_ wrote: post #122

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> Correct. People (rightly) hate on the restrictive and profiteering nature of the App Store, but the telcos were even worse. The now-hotly-debated 30% cut was seen as a reprieve from telco distribution and brick-and-mortar, where the retailer was taking 60-70% of the purchase price.

Not just 60+% of the price but also upfront access fees for the privilege of being listed. I worked for projects with some decent sized companies and they were interested in phone apps right up until what they saw as a proof of concept project was getting offered terms like $50-80k per carrier just for the privilege of being in the carrier’s store. This is still better than when Qualcomm was hawking their mobile Java…

BREW. A pox on that pile of crap. Thanks for reminding me about all that, including the Verizon “Get It Now” store. It does actually make me feel less bitter at the somewhat-less-cynical Apple Way that we have now.

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Post by giantrobot »

int_19h wrote: post #323
giantrobot wrote: post #311

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iPhones are built with super tight tolerances. Using the same (or similar enough) materials on opposing sides means not having to deal with different thermal expansion properties. Glass is also radio transparent which makes the NFC radio and wireless charging much easier. It likely doesn't hurt with cellular and WiFi reception either. It's also not going to interfere with the MagSafe magnets.

Somehow Android phones manage to do NFC and wireless charging just fine without glass back panels. And tighter tolerances are exactly that - "premium look".

Tight tolerances are premium construction. Loose fitting parts are cheap and easy. They also lead to increased wear and decreased durability. Dismiss everything as "looks" if you want.

Re: Nokia made too many phones

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Post by int_19h »

giantrobot wrote: post #326
int_19h wrote: post #323

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Somehow Android phones manage to do NFC and wireless charging just fine without glass back panels. And tighter tolerances are exactly that - "premium look".

Tight tolerances are premium construction. Loose fitting parts are cheap and easy. They also lead to increased wear and decreased durability. Dismiss everything as "looks" if you want.

You know what else leads to increased wear and decreased durability? More glass that breaks when you drop the phone.

Re: Nokia made too many phones

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Post by CRConrad »

bloopernova wrote: post #259
mjcohen wrote: post #243

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A google search for "keyboard with roller" brings up a lot of options.

I didn't phrase it very well, sorry about that. I meant that display managers, UI toolkits, and browsers don't support the keyboard as much as I'd like.

But still, adding a mouse-contraption below your keyboard could make it feel like you're using the keyboard to run it while your computer recieves your input as mouse signals, so you'll both be happy.

(Some brand names to search for are Rollermouse, Mousetrapper, Optapad, andErgoslider.)

Re: Nokia made too many phones

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Post by CRConrad »

FpUser wrote: post #168
lamp_book wrote: post #142

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I switched to Apple specifically because Androids I owned aged quickly and badly. Some people can’t drop the kool aid drinking caricature view on iPhone users they hold.

Interesting. I have 3 years old Pixel 6 Pro I use as a phone, 6 years old Redmi MIUI I use to control my various gizmos and 8 years old Galaxy S6 Edge to do yet another set of gizmos. So far all work like charm. Do tell me what kool aid did I drink?

> Do tell me what kool aid did I drink?

As I read it, "people can’t drop the kool aid drinking caricature view on iPhone users" says not that people who hold the caricature view are kool-aid-drinkers, but that they hold a view of iPhone users as kool-aid-drinkers. So I don't think there was any claim that you drink anything at all. (Though I'm fairly sure you do: At least water, or you'd be dead.)

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