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Post by ffsm8 »

burntwater wrote: post #299
donatj wrote: post #295

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> If Android weren't so awful What's so awful about Android? When was the last time you used it. I use both regularly and frankly find a lot of what Android does these days better . Heck, Apple Music on Android is even my Music app of choice.

I've switched back and fourth multiple times. After about 10 years on Android I recently switched back to iPhone for one feature and one feature only - its integrations with hearing aids. In every other way I can think of, I find Android so much better. I remember having the same reaction when I switched 10 years ago too. Well, I switched for another reason - I've had three Pixel phones, and all three phones had hard…

The cross device integrations really are the biggest selling point of apple devices. They don't always work, and some work better then others... But every other ecosystem is just smaller.

I.e. you can get your sms from an android on your windows PC through multiple applications, but it's not built-in and you still need to configure it. Same with the easy switching with air pods. Also available for select headphones and various devices, but not built-in.

I am always giggling about apple fanboys being outraged about windows including advertising in the start menu however, considering apple inserts an advert for their cloud storage in the settings app that can't even be dismissed/disabled.

And that's ignoring the constant reminders that you really should use apple music, the gaming service etc

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Post by lern_too_spel »

dangus wrote: post #317
lern_too_spel wrote: post #311

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The APIs for doing these things are open on Android. You do not need to rely on Google for the software, meaning the options are better than the single broken option that Apple provides. You can use syncthing for p2p sync over the Internet or adb sync over the cable or even rsync and all the tools built on top. Also, Google doesn't sell albums, but you can buy music from Amazon or any other store you like and have go…

I’m also pretty sure that syncthing won’t help you with local full device backups and restores right? Isn’t the only way to do that to turn on developer options and use adb or another program that interacts with adb to backup? Google doesn’t even intend the user to do that judging by the way it’s hidden behind developer options, their only full device backup solution is cloud based. So the question here is “how does…

A 70 year old who refuses to use the cloud and doesn't know how to use developer options after following directions from a backup app but can follow the directions in iTunes backup is a rare (maybe nonexistent) thing.

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Post by jollyllama »

Nullabillity wrote: post #283
jollyllama wrote: post #212

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> Twenty years ago, iTunes’ emphasis was on collecting, experiencing, and enjoying an art form. Or, better yet, creating. Time was when FCP trounced any video editor for Window, all of which were buggy and unreliable. Now, FCP is more of a niche product for pro or semi pro editors. Garageband was never the top choice for pros, but it was highly accessible at that time. Hours of fun for an adolescent. Now, it's weird…

This idea of a "low-end creation apps" always sat weird with me. As kids our go-to tools were usually pirated copies of Cubase, Vegas, and Photoshop. Garage Band, iMovie/Windows Movie Maker, or MSPaint weren't even considered.

Yes, I have those memories too, and things were quite buggy as I recall.

Edit: I would say the Apple tools like FCP were low end in relation to setups with dedicated editing keyboards, etc.

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Post by jollyllama »

riversflow wrote: post #276
jollyllama wrote: post #212

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> Twenty years ago, iTunes’ emphasis was on collecting, experiencing, and enjoying an art form. Or, better yet, creating. Time was when FCP trounced any video editor for Window, all of which were buggy and unreliable. Now, FCP is more of a niche product for pro or semi pro editors. Garageband was never the top choice for pros, but it was highly accessible at that time. Hours of fun for an adolescent. Now, it's weird…

> weird and tough to use, presumably due to a fruitless bid to target the pros. Have you tried the phone app? It’s fantastic, and easy to use. I assume the expectation is that if you are opening Garageband on a Mac these days, you “graduated” from the phone. > fruitless bid to target the pros. I personally know multiple musicians who have albums on streaming services that they made in Garageband.

>Have you tried the phone app? It’s fantastic, and easy to use. I assume the expectation is that if you are opening Garageband on a Mac these days, you “graduated” from the phone.

I have not tried the phone app; that makes sense.

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Post by breathen »

Liquix wrote: post #143
breathen wrote: post #139

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> Twenty years ago, iTunes’ emphasis was on collecting, experiencing, and enjoying an art form. This was (and is) also a blatant form of consumerism. I honestly don't see any difference in the negative effects on this outside of going through apple rather than my local FYE.

? no it wasn't. it was taking a beautiful, timeless, intrinsically valuable thing (music) and building a business around it. the idea was that if iTunes is the best way to tag, collect, burn, and listen to music, people would naturally adopt it and then go spend money in the store. this lies in contrast to modern apps' desire to provide an endless library of content within the app or paid service. drives up engagemen…

I still don't see the distinction—you presumably bought the music somewhere. It can't just be the marketing you're complaining about because piracy is just as viable now as it was then.

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Post by NoPedantsThanks »

TheNightman wrote: post #291
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Apple's fear of proper I/O strikes again. Forcing customers to use a shitty JUKEBOX app to manage all the content (including applications) on a handheld Unix computer was embarrassing on day one. But after a decade... and then more... it's offensive to those customers. Now they made the already-shambolic Windows situation even worse. It's bad enough on Mac, where the videos you shot yourself inexplicably wind up in t…

Never had a problem like this on Mac. When I shoot a video on my iPhone, it’s in the photo library on my Mac. Same with downloads, photos, passwords, safari tabs, clipboard and more. No transferring of files required at all, let alone through the Apple TV app?

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Post by NoPedantsThanks »

dangus wrote: post #300
NoPedantsThanks wrote: post #241

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Apple's fear of proper I/O strikes again. Forcing customers to use a shitty JUKEBOX app to manage all the content (including applications) on a handheld Unix computer was embarrassing on day one. But after a decade... and then more... it's offensive to those customers. Now they made the already-shambolic Windows situation even worse. It's bad enough on Mac, where the videos you shot yourself inexplicably wind up in t…

This isn’t embarrassing. Apple is supporting their “older way” of doing things for longer than anyone else. The fact that they let you do via cable so many things that their competitors have deprecated entirely or moved to cloud is commendable. These apps all still support iPods as well. Tell me how to buy an album from Google and have it automatically sync to your iPhone when it’s plugged in to the computer. No clou…

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Post by niek_pas »

prmoustache wrote: post #149
niek_pas wrote: post #12

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> it does what I want it to This is Spotify's main advantage: most people already have it installed, and it's good enough if you don't care that much about the podcast-listening experience.

> if you don't care that much about the podcast-listening experience What is so special about podcast-listening experience that you would need a specific player for?

Chapter support, playback rate control, smart speed (skips silences), voice boost, a UI that’s less horrific than Spotify’s are the main things for me.

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Post by SigmundurM »

prox wrote: post #76
SigmundurM wrote: post #66

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Could Cider[1] be what you're looking for? It's basically a open source frontend for Apple Music that works on Linux and Windows. It's what I use to listen to my Apple Music songs on Linux, and it's amazing. [1]: https://cider.sh/

So I can access my Apple Music library through this?

Yup! I'm not sure about music that you've added/uploaded to your library, haven't tried that, but given that Cider "iCloud library" I would imagine that it should just work.

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Post by SigmundurM »

anotherhue wrote: post #74
SigmundurM wrote: post #66

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Could Cider[1] be what you're looking for? It's basically a open source frontend for Apple Music that works on Linux and Windows. It's what I use to listen to my Apple Music songs on Linux, and it's amazing. [1]: https://cider.sh/

There's a web interface that could be used, but I wanted to use the high-res mode with this DAC. First world problems of course, but just needlessly frustrating.

They're currently working on a complete remake of Cider [1], which is "powered by Rust. With a partial shift away from Electron". That might fit your needs?

The latest release, v2.3.0, also supports forcing the player to use 256kbps[2]

[1]: https://cidercollective.itch.io/cider

[2]: https://cidercollective.itch.io/cider/devlog/674855/cider-v2...

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