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Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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At risk? They haven’t had hit movie for years. They have destroyed just about everything they’ve touched, from Indiana Jones to Star Wars to Snow White.

By what metric was Star Wars not a hit movie

By comparison to the previous two trilogies, and by performance of offshoots resulting in cancellations.

It was supposed to kick off a Marvell-style universe of infinite blockbusters. It didn’t.

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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It is not possible to steal from the public domain. That's the entire point of it.

Go try to produce something based around the public domain story Cinderella. I doubt that Disney would take this kindly or lightly. That's the entire point of the post that you are responding to.

You mean like Andrew Lloyd Webbers musical Bad Cinderella?

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Frozen is one of the newest entries out of any media franchise to gross more than $10B — https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_highest-grossing_media... . More than Fortnite has grossed. Not too shabby.

I didn't know Pokémon is the single highest-grossing franchise. That's wild and kinda unexpected given its age relative to Mickey Mouse & Friends in 2nd.

Wait till you see what the original gameboy games sell for these days. If they are sealed you can buy a car for less.

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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Moana came out almost 8 years ago! The force awakens is even older. I think you are proving the OPs point.

And they're making a live action one baby!

Live action remakes are the new “safe sequel”.

I think they should be compared to how well a literal rerelease of the original would do.

I think part of the evidence is just how absolutely long lived Frozen 1 has been. Nothing has been able to even come close to unseating that, not even its sequel (they were very smart to keep everything similar enough so that Frozen 2 merchandise can substitute for Frozen 1 in a kid’s eye).

It’s very indicative that people jump to movies that have been out for a decade or more, and probably can’t even name most of the more recent releases.

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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At risk? They haven’t had hit movie for years. They have destroyed just about everything they’ve touched, from Indiana Jones to Star Wars to Snow White.

Avatar 2 came out just over a year ago is one of the highest grossing movies of all time.

Both avatar movies are somehow insanely high grossing and apparently nobody remembers them at all. It’s a skill set to be sure.

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Encanto: $150m budget vs $250m box office. So again, "no hit movies" is easily disproven with 10s of time to look into it.

A movie needs to bring in twice its budget to be profitable[1] is the common rule of thumb. The budget doesn't include things like marketing, and the fact that the box office is shared with the theatre owner. So in your example, it potentially lost money for Disney. The wikipedia article almost says as much [2] "Although it underperformed at the box office ..." [1] https://gizmodo.com/how-much-money-does-a-movie-need…

Was Encanto the one they dumped on Disney+ real quick? It might have strongly affected popularity of the song (which is catchy as all hell, and can stand with Let It Go) since that was perhaps the peak.

None of the recent Disney animated movies have been “direct to DVD” terrible but they haven’t been exceptionally better than everything else.

It used to be that everyone basically considered Disney (and upstart Pixar) to be at the top of the class, and even extremely successful movies like Despicable Me to be a tier or two below.

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It is not possible to steal from the public domain. That's the entire point of it.

Go try to produce something based around the public domain story Cinderella. I doubt that Disney would take this kindly or lightly. That's the entire point of the post that you are responding to.

There’s a French live action Beauty and the Beast which was rereleased in the US to take advantage of the hype around Disney’s remake - and it’s actually darn good for a $5 supermarket checkout movie.

Disney sued nobody.

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Tangled (Repunzel), Moana (uses and remixes actual Polynesian myths), Frozen (based on the snow queen), Peter Pan, Little Mermaid - a stack of recent Disney movies have been based on existing IP. You just don't notice because they culturally steamroll the originals. The most recent movie Wish - is just callbacks to other Disney movies, so does it count as original IP? And this excludes their reboots - but also exclud…

As far as Frozen goes, at least they got something new to replace the Norway exhibit at Epcot, because it got so old and stale, that Norway disowned it, and refused to pay for the renewal

Frozen is just Norwegian propaganda and you’ll not convince me otherwise.

I wonder if anyone has worked out the actual dollar effect it is has had on Norwegian tourism.

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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By what metric was Star Wars not a hit movie

By comparison to the previous two trilogies, and by performance of offshoots resulting in cancellations. It was supposed to kick off a Marvell-style universe of infinite blockbusters. It didn’t.

That's not the definition of a flop though

Re: Disney to take $1.5B stake in Epic Games

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At this point they should just buy Epic Healthcare and consolidate.

I never expected a dystopian megacorp to start from a cartoon or videogame company. As a kid I figured it would kick off with walmart buying lockmart and just calling itself Mart.

Come come now, you know what would make you feel better? Let's open some loot crates.
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