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Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by summerlight »

imiric wrote: post #92
charcircuit wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No ads is not sustainable. It's not like the alternative is youtube remaining ad free. The alternative is youtube shutting down.

That's a false dichotomy. There are many monetizing alternatives besides advertising, or paying the platform to remove advertising they introduced in the first place.

You will be surprised to see how much money you need to pay in order to match the ads numbers. And running a global video platform needs very high CapEx/OpEx numbers compared to other web businesses. YT premium is very likely a much less profitable business, mostly meant for mitigating user complaints against ads + revenue diversification.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by isatty »

hapticmonkey wrote: post #232
jdminhbg wrote: post #25

So nice to see a YouTube client that makes sense on the platform it’s on. Compare to the official YT client for iPad, for example, which bizarrely uses the same tiny Material touch targets as on phones.

The AppleTV YouTube app is so bad that I’m convinced nobody responsible for it owns a TV. It even forces its own built in screensavers to run instead of the OS one if the app is left paused. Who approves that?! What Steve Jobs said about Microsoft in the 90s applies to Google today: They have no taste.

N=1 obviously but I use the YouTube app a lot on my Apple tv and think it works fine? I don’t get anything besides the native screensaver and they even added the option to browse comments natively.

Only bug seems to be a black screen for a second when I close the app (maybe a bug with suspend?).

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by isatty »

pantulis wrote: post #107
monkeywork wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While not as good as Apollo the "Dystopia for reddit" (iOS) or the "Red Reader" (android) are both better than the official reddit app.

Dystopia is excellent not only because it's free but because it is great for people with poor eyesight like myself, allowing for pretty big fonts that are broken on the official iOS Reddit App. The only alternative way I've found to achieve this is to browse Reddit with Safari and use page zoom. I'm still missing Apollo quite a lot. Narwhal2 is good and comes close but it's not exactly there.

Dystopia is indeed amazing.

The “command line” lite experience for browsing is also very good.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by midasz »

vinnymac wrote: post #243
midasz wrote: post #181

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I still selfhost a libreddit instance for search results but no more browsing

That sounds very useful, how much space does it utilize?

Pretty much nothing. The docker image is less than 10mb and it uses barely any RAM for me, like 15 idle? I've got it running locally and can access it through tailscale everywhere. Having it open to internet is a bad idea since rate limiting becomes an issue but for a single user it's perfect.

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Post by spacedcowboy »

slg wrote: post #31
ftio wrote: post #27

Christian isn’t charging enough! This could easily be $10 or more. I still grumble every time I use the Reddit app. RIP Apollo.

Seriously, what percentage of people who just spent at least $3,500 on the hardware would quibble over an extra $5 when it comes to as essential a native app as Youtube?

Well, I don't really use Youtube, so ...

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Post by Moto7451 »

LeSaucy wrote: post #280

Talented developer for sure, but has a knack for developing software that piggy backs of silicon valley giants that can turn off access at a moments notice.

He probably had fun with this one and expects (or hopes!) it to become irrelevant after YouTube for VisionOS comes out. We’ll see.

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Post by jjcm »

dcchambers wrote: post #29
ftio wrote: post #27

Christian isn’t charging enough! This could easily be $10 or more. I still grumble every time I use the Reddit app. RIP Apollo.

I basically just stopped using Reddit after that whole fiasco. I had already been drifting away for years. The site has changed. It was time to move on.

You can sideload Apollo. It's a bit sketchy, but it's been nice having it back.

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by judge2020 »

imiric wrote: post #91
brabel wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think running the biggest video platform on the planet entirely for free is not realistic. Why are you so against Google charging a minimum fee for doing that while still giving you the opportunity to watch for free in exchange for being shown a few ads? Do you think they should be run as a charity?

> Why are you so against Google charging a minimum fee for doing that while still giving you the opportunity to watch for free in exchange for being shown a few ads? I'm against it because advertising is not the only business model that works at scale. Google effectively introduced itself as a middleman between content creators and consumers, which they continue to do whether you pay with your attention/data or cash.…

Advertising is the only business model that works at scale AND can support hypergrowth.

We know that subscriptions work at scale, mostly. YT Premium[1] has 100 million (Maybe 90M if there are 10M people only getting Music premium). But if YT was only available via subscription in 2010 during the gaming channel boom, it probably would have failed out of the gate.

But advertising is necessary to maintain the scale YT runs at today. 100 Million subscribers is nothing compared to the >2.7 billion humans that use it. Not all of them would pay even $2/month if you let them.

1: https://blog.youtube/news-and-events/youtube-music-premium-1...

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Post by turquoisevar »

nindalf wrote: post #108
spiderice wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why is that? Obviously they don’t want a third party app to be that experience, but they make native apps for everything else. Also, Christian can’t help himself but attach his apps to large companies that can cut him off overnight. Haha.

Short answer - usually individual app developers, even of Google’s size, need the platform (iOS) more than the platform needs them. This means Apple has historically driven hard bargains with even the most popular apps. Now Apple is launching a new platform (visionOS) the 3 most popular in their categories - YouTube, Netflix and Spotify decided that visionOS needs them more than they need visionOS. For now. It’s poss…

> For example, Netflix would like to offer in app subscriptions and to keep more the revenue without sharing with Apple.

Netflix already has that option[0] at a 15% commission rate, but they snubbed their nose. Allegedly because they didn’t want to play nice with the TV app, like other streamers do.

Personally I think it’s that (and the potential loss of data) + them just wanting to pay $0.

0: https://developer.apple.com/programs/video-partner/

Re: Juno – A YouTube Client for Vision Pro

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Post by frei »

shmoogy wrote: post #245
madeofpalk wrote: post #200

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Why do you say that? I don't think the Youtube product managers really care enough about Vision Pro to prioritise making an app for it. That doesn't mean they strategically disgree with the product and actively wish to hamper it. Indepedently of Vision Pro, I think they just might not be that enthusastic about third party youtube apps.

They explicitly opted the YouTube iPad app out of working on vision pro

Maybe it was a UX bug that hampers the experience to the point that where the website is a better experience, and they felt that a bad app would hurt the brand more than no app.
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