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Macs can now inform Apple if any liquids have been detected in the USB-C ports

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Post by vladxyz »

grishka wrote: post #254
guappa wrote: post #247

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The iPhone 12/13 Mini was substantially smaller, but few people bought it I knew before scrolling down that such a comment would be there. an iphone costs easily 5x-7x more than an android phone. Most people just want a phone that can do messages, calls, and has a gps. There haven't been any non-overpriced smaller smartphones lately.

For me personally, the cost isn't a factor. I'd gladly buy a small Android phone for up to $2000 if it would satisfy all my needs. Yes, I'm this desperate. And by the way, high-quality Android phones cost comparable to iPhones. Keep in mind that Apple is simply not interested in the budget segment.

Take a look at the current gen flippy phones (Galaxy Flip 5, Moto Razr+). I've had the latter for a few months, purchased basically because the outer screen is actually usable. With the phone folded shut, it's pretty much a small phone. I can easily reach every corner of that outer screen with my thumb.

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Post by talldatethrow »

I have a Google Pixel 4xl thats had its battery replaced 3 times because of their terrible tiny brittle battery connector. The last two times, I've done it myself with a $19 Amazon battery. I never reseal the phone properly, just closing the back onto the old sticky residue that's left from the original assembly years ago.

Yesterday I dropped the phone into a hot bowl of soup. I took it out, rinsed it under a faucet to get the soup off it, and dried it with a towel.

Good as new.

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Post by dpkonofa »

cameldrv wrote: post #319
dpkonofa wrote: post #315

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>even if a drop of water gets on the external case, they will refuse to honor the warranty This is both not true and so hyperbolic it's ridiculous. IP68 is only colloquially "waterproof" as none of the IP ratings have an indefinite exposure time.

There are liquid sensors in the ports, and if a drop of water gets on them, they will turn red and Apple will refuse to honor your warranty. Apple claims the iPhone is waterproof to 6 meters for 30 minutes, but if you put your phone in one inch of water for one second, your warranty is void.

This is not true. I fully submerged my phone in a pool and took video underwater and they replaced it under warranty.

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Post by tourmalinetaco »

Bluescreenbuddy wrote: post #273
wkat4242 wrote: post #173

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The iPhone is full of water detector stickers inside and they do reject warranty claims if water got in. They say you must have done something you shouldn't have if that happens, like diving deep or something. They will even refuse to install a new battery if you pay them.

>They will even refuse to install a new battery if you pay them. On a phone with triggered water detector stickers? Yeah. Common sense. Why the hell would I work a device that might be damaged already? If something goes wrong after the repair due to the pre-existing damage it becomes a finger pointing game. Fuck that

It’s far more likely your repair damaged it in this situation than any pre-existing water “damage”.

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Post by zaphirplane »

dpkonofa wrote: post #323
cameldrv wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are liquid sensors in the ports, and if a drop of water gets on them, they will turn red and Apple will refuse to honor your warranty. Apple claims the iPhone is waterproof to 6 meters for 30 minutes, but if you put your phone in one inch of water for one second, your warranty is void.

This is not true. I fully submerged my phone in a pool and took video underwater and they replaced it under warranty.

Replaced it for what damage/failure ?

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Post by MereInterest »

konschubert wrote: post #317
MereInterest wrote: post #233

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Revealed preferences assumes that there are no confounding factors, no tyranny of small decisions, no information asymmetry and an unlimited selection of products that vary along every combination of features. It’s economic drivel, and serves only to dismiss opinions out of hand.

My point is that small phones don’t sell well.

Then that's an entirely different point. There are many reasons why small phones don't sell well. There's the changing market in which a phone is the primary computer for many people. There's incomplete information, as the tethers in a showroom prevent you from holding a phone one-handed, or noticing that it is too big to fit in your pocket. There's a potential for decreased design costs, as a larger space provides more options for how the phone's internals can be arranged.

But calling those "revealed preferences" is a sleight-of-hand. It takes all those external factors and treats them as something intrinsic about the buyer, to be "revealed" by the market. The term itself is a lie.

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Post by David_FF »

userbinator wrote: post #45
DannyBee wrote: post #39

This is a feature of newer usb-c pd chipsets. See, e.g., https://www.ti.com/product/TPS25751 in the features section. Apple has historically used TI chipsets for their USB power controllers. The feature likely comes from this.

How it works (on page 52): "The TPS25751 supports liquid detection by measuring the voltage level across the SBU pins of the Type-C connector. When a short occurs across the SBU pins to another Type-C pin(s), the TPS25751 takes action to protect the the Type-C port by disabling the power paths and notifies the embedded controller when applicable. Once liquid has been detected, the TPS25751 continuously monitors the S…

Thanks for posting this. I was curious how they were able to detect liquid in the USB port

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Post by justinclift »

dpkonofa wrote: post #323
cameldrv wrote: post #319

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There are liquid sensors in the ports, and if a drop of water gets on them, they will turn red and Apple will refuse to honor your warranty. Apple claims the iPhone is waterproof to 6 meters for 30 minutes, but if you put your phone in one inch of water for one second, your warranty is void.

This is not true. I fully submerged my phone in a pool and took video underwater and they replaced it under warranty.

> I fully submerged my phone in a pool and took video underwater

Is that on Youtube or similar? :)

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Post by throwaway2037 »

bluescrn wrote: post #279
throwaway2037 wrote: post #163

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Real question / No trolling: I feel like I am the last living human who still uses the headphone jack. When I walk around my city, I see almost zero other people using it. They using wireless earbuds. I avoid wireless earbuds to avoid yet-another-battery-to-be-charged. Is this true for other HNers also?

Nobody really cares about audio quality any more. I used to, but I realised that my mid-40s ears are now the limiting factor, so I might as well have the convenience of wireless. The real problem isn't 'another device to charge' though, it's battery degradation and the wasteful, disposable nature of Airpods.

Can people really hear the difference between wired and unwired headphones? I find it hard to believe. The bandwidth that Bluetooth can provide should be sufficient for very high quality audio. I'm confused by this reply.

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Post by justinclift »

hajile wrote: post #309
wkat4242 wrote: post #173

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The iPhone is full of water detector stickers inside and they do reject warranty claims if water got in. They say you must have done something you shouldn't have if that happens, like diving deep or something. They will even refuse to install a new battery if you pay them.

I don't understand why people let them get away with this inductive logic. While it COULD mean you used the device out of spec, it could just as easily mean THEY MESSED UP when manufacturing your device. On the whole, its more likely that your phone had a pinhole defect from the factory than you ran into 3+ feet of water and threw your phone in. If they can't prove they did waterproof compliance testing my specific d…

There at least used to be (years ago) many complaints of the sensors being inaccurately tripped in areas with high humidity, that never actually got liquid spilled on them. :(
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