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Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by CubsFan1060 »

alemanek wrote: post #311
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259

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What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

I have a bit of a different take on this. If we win the war against Ads lots of content won’t get made. But, the content that thrives in an Ad driven world is mostly toxic rage bait. I would argue that losing this content and instead only being left with content that people will actually pay for is a big net win for humanity. Likely we will never see a world without Ads but I can dream.

I like how you are thinking. I do wonder if I'd get to see things like, say, Practical Engineering in an ad-free world. He seems to be passionate about it, so maybe?

Re: Does uBlock Origin bypass the latest YouTube anti-adblock script?

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Post by beeboobaa »

dageshi wrote: post #278
beeboobaa wrote: post #268

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Because those companies are just taking the piss. They are like an abusive boyfriend that wants to know what you're up to all the time. They pretend you can pay them off so they won't have to stalk you, but the prices they ask are greatly exaggerated and exist solely to try and fool regulators. But if you're happy to pay whatever is asked of you, that'll be a 100 dollars thanks

Youtube premium is £12.99 / month or £19.99/month for a family plan. That really doesn't seem unreasonable to me.

I watch like 5 videos a month. No way they're making more than $1, maybe $2, off of advertising to me. Why would I pay them 10x that? Don't be ridiculous.

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Post by concordDance »

bko wrote: post #287
jacquesm wrote: post #266

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> If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? I can't speak for anybody else but my content will still get made. > Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Maybe, maybe not, whose to say what Google will do. Maybe they will value the influence or the goodwill more than the lack of income. Maybe some of the content will be free and other bits w…

YouTube is incredibly expensive to run which explains why there's such little competition. Think about it, anyone can host gigs of videos perpetually indexed for free. What percentage of videos have fewer than 100 views? Google has killed off profitable projects. If you think they'll dump tens of billions every year hosting videos that no one watches, you're kidding yourself. And what we noticed with paying is that p…

> tens of billions every year hosting videos

That seems way too high. There's something like half a trillion hours watched per year. Does it really cost almost $0.10 for an hour of video?

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Post by account42 »

SiempreViernes wrote: post #214
miki123211 wrote: post #138

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Video hosting is expensive and needs to be paid for somehow. Any competitor will have the same problems as Youtube does. You can go the Nebula route and require users to pay (which means far fewer users) or require creators to pay (which means far fewer creators). You could also require creators to host the videos themselves, but that also requires money, expertise and causes downtime when a video goes viral. There's…

Sure, ad revenue is an important method of funding media, but that is a very different claim from saying that YouTube's implementation of ad delivery is anything close to good. The simple fact is that the ad ecosystem YouTube directs has produced lots of low effort "content" farming, enterprises focused on raw output at the expense of quality, truth, and frequently the intellectual property of others.

> Sure, ad revenue is an important method of funding media

No it isn't. It's a horrible method of funding media because as you correctly realized it ends up lowering the quality of that media. This isn't just a problem with YouTube's implementation, it is an inherent aspect of ad-based funding.

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Post by redserk »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #316
redserk wrote: post #312

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> Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. I don’t think it’ll ever be possible to get everyone to pay, but if it’s easy to pay and priced low enough, paying becomes the easiest option for a lot of people. Why bother pirating music in 2023 when any number of music streaming services are about $10-11/mo? YouTube Premium bundles YouTube music and costs $19/mo. This i…

Keep in mind this is a random reddit thread I found and I can't vouch for the information, but: https://www.reddit.com/r/youtube/comments/177353i/you_should... According to that, $8.55 of your $19 would go to the creators. Presumably the other $10.45 goes for storage, bandwidth, operational overhead, and profit.

Interesting! I haven’t done much digging but that is a much larger share than I was expecting.

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Post by dncornholio »

smallerfish wrote: post #289
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259

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What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

> If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? I'd argue that _content_ is a fairly gross word that we've all come to use because we're in the industry -- "I need some _content_ around my ads so that we get some impressions". There are plenty of other words that are less marketing associated and more clearly connotative with creatively produced material - article, report, essay, story, paper, pro…

So you'd be fine with paying for a subscription?

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Post by mavhc »

wruza wrote: post #309
CubsFan1060 wrote: post #259

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What does winning mean in this context? If we take this to an extreme, doesn't content just not get made? Do you think Google is going to go to a model where things are freely accessible without ads? Feels like even when a company provides a way to get rid of ads, many people still won't pay. They _say_ they will, but I find often people will want to substitute their own terms (Well, youtube premium is $x, but I thin…

First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

And yet still they're the most popular sites, why hasn't everyone moved to an objectively better solution?

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Post by bluefirebrand »

CubsFan1060 wrote: post #294
EA-3167 wrote: post #284

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Unless you're a VERY large and successful YT channel, you aren't making bank on YT itself, it's merch and sponsorships, Patreon and so on that make the money. Monetized Twitch-like feeds are another winner, and again not dependent on YT monetization.

Aren't these all VERY tightly integrated? They can sell merch and sponsorships _because_ of YouTube in the first place?

The point is that many successful YouTubers wouldn't be broke if they stopped making ad revenue from YouTube, because they make most of their money elsewhere anyways.

Which means they would continue making content

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Post by kiba »

godzillabrennus wrote: post #319
wruza wrote: post #309

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First they destroyed the old internet by “forgetting” sites from search and created “platforms”. Then they abused adnetworks to take the biggest share and control over what users can do or will likely do with their user agents. Then they degraded every site and product searchability into ads-favored keyword matching. Then, when people started using their well-setup cardboard box traps to their taste, they demanded to…

I pay for YouTube to support the platform and creators. If you don't pay for a service, you aren't the customer you are the product. Google may need to shut down the free viewership of most YouTube videos unless the creator pays for them to be hosted or the viewers sign up for a subscription. The ad model is clearly failing.

Just because you are paying for a service doesn't mean that companies won't double dip or triple dip by either showing you ads or selling your data.
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