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OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by dereg »

okdood64 wrote: post #265
dereg wrote: post #13

I don’t understand why and how they didn’t consider this sort of discussion before so unceremoniously firing him. The others on the board outside Ilya need to go. I don’t consider anybody beyond forgiveness and if Ilya takes a professional lesson from this and Sam learns to be more mindful of others’ concerns, I consider this a win for all. Starting over in a new entity sounds great but would be years of setback. I h…

> The others on the board outside Ilya need to go. Does Ilya get a pass solely by his value to the company?

I think that his beliefs are important to the company. A board shouldn't be a homogenous glob nor should it be like a middle school friend group. What he did was both bizarre and amateur, but I believe in the best of us all the come forward from these types of events.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by AnonymousPlanet »

DebtDeflation wrote: post #70
Handy-Man wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the 3 independent members will be gone. Either will try to burry the hatchet with Ilya or he leaves as well.

Good. Two of them aren't even qualified to be on the board of a kid's lemonade stand.

Looking at their CVs, they're more qualified than some rando on the internet. So from my point of view, they look more qualified than you, DebtDeflation, rando from the internet.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by icelancer »

himaraya wrote: post #68
Handy-Man wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the 3 independent members will be gone. Either will try to burry the hatchet with Ilya or he leaves as well.

Hard to see Ilya staying if Sam returns, honestly.

Ilya is the only one worth keeping around if Sam returns mercifully.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by nwoli »

LASR wrote: post #219
nwoli wrote: post #39

Imagine these people being in charge of AGI in a few years…

The kind of AGI you’re talking about - the one that makes people nervous about who is in charge of it - nobody can truly be “in charge” of this kind of AGI.

They decide how to bias it. They decide if they should pull the plug or not. They decide if it’s too powerful and they’re in contact with people who suggest to the government that we should bomb datacenters if so

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Post by t_mann »

Jensson wrote: post #52
gkoberger wrote: post #24

I'd bet money Satya was a driver of this reversal. I genuinely can't believe the board didn't see this coming. I think they could have won in the court of public opinion if their press release said they loved Sam but felt like his skills and ambitions diverged from their mission. But instead, they tried to skewer him, and it backfired completely. I hope Sam comes back. He'll make a lot more money if he doesn't, but I…

> I hope Sam comes back Why? We would have more diversity in this space if he leaves, which would get us another AI startup with huge funding and know how from OpenAI, while OpenAI would become less Sam Altman like. I think him staying is bad for the field overall compared to OpenAI splitting in two.

Exactly. I think it would actually be very exciting if OpenAI uses this moment to pivot back to the "Open"/non-profit mission, and Altman and Brockman concurrently start something new and try to build the Apple/Amazon of AI.

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Post by woeirua »

shmatt wrote: post #295
xianshou wrote: post #214

Whether you side with Sam or Ilya on rollout speed and approach to safety, the breathtaking incompetence of this coup has already incinerated a stunning amount of trust. One could hardly ask for a better demonstration that it matters not only what you do and why , but also how - above all, how you treat the ones who rely on you.

How is this a coup? The board is the CEOs boss. If that’s not true then they should have chosen a different corporate structure

Some reporting indicates that there was no malfeasance on Sam’s part. There would be no reason to terminate Sam under these circumstances except as a pure power play.

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Post by toss1 »

Jensson wrote: post #52
gkoberger wrote: post #24

I'd bet money Satya was a driver of this reversal. I genuinely can't believe the board didn't see this coming. I think they could have won in the court of public opinion if their press release said they loved Sam but felt like his skills and ambitions diverged from their mission. But instead, they tried to skewer him, and it backfired completely. I hope Sam comes back. He'll make a lot more money if he doesn't, but I…

> I hope Sam comes back Why? We would have more diversity in this space if he leaves, which would get us another AI startup with huge funding and know how from OpenAI, while OpenAI would become less Sam Altman like. I think him staying is bad for the field overall compared to OpenAI splitting in two.

Whether or not Sam returns, serious damage has already been done, even if everyone also returns. MANY links of trust have been broken.

Even larger, this shows that the "leaders" of all this technology and money really are just making it up as they go along. Certainly supports the conclusion that, beyond meeting a somewhat high bar of education & experience, the primary reason they are in their chairs is luck and political gamesmanship. Many others meet the same high bar and could fill their roles, likely better, if the opportunity were given to them.

Sortition on corporate leadership may not be a bad thing.

That said, consistent hands at the wheel is also good, and this kind of unnecessary chaos does no one any good.

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Post by CSMastermind »

shmatt wrote: post #295
xianshou wrote: post #214

Whether you side with Sam or Ilya on rollout speed and approach to safety, the breathtaking incompetence of this coup has already incinerated a stunning amount of trust. One could hardly ask for a better demonstration that it matters not only what you do and why , but also how - above all, how you treat the ones who rely on you.

How is this a coup? The board is the CEOs boss. If that’s not true then they should have chosen a different corporate structure

Sam and Greg were on the board.

This was two board members who were also employed at the company fighting over resources and approach.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by icelancer »

YetAnotherNick wrote: post #176
Handy-Man wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

At least the 3 independent members will be gone. Either will try to burry the hatchet with Ilya or he leaves as well.

Adam has competing interests. It's hard to see why he is even allowed in non profit board. And for other two members, their profile seem pretty weak for being in a board of one of most important companies in the world.

Quora dataset is worth a hell of a lot. That said, I completely agree with you. He should be ousted.

Re: OpenAI board in discussions with Sam Altman to return as CEO

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Post by taf2 »

It’s very hard to have too strong of an opinion here without knowing more about the actual conversations happening behind closed doors… on outside looking in this seems like a lot of drama and whatever the outcome- it looks super bad for OpenAI… if anything it’ll have the effect of a lot of us shopping for alternatives maybe that was the intention?
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