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Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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It's incredible how many of you alleged tech people think that Sam just wanted a world of safe AI while his actions suggest he wanted to make dump trucks of money. He was the one who partnered with Microsoft and turned it from a non-profit to a for-profit company.

You’re almost right. Look at how easily and comfortably he engaged with world leaders. He wants power.

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post #171

I'm embarrassed to say, being Polish myself, I had no idea that key people in OpenAI were Polish - I assume it was a coordinated resignation then. Madry is actually spelled Mądry, which translates to "Wise".

Why make this about nationality?

It's rather unusual to have all three people mentioned be Polish.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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One funny detail is that the OpenAI charter states that, if this happens, they will stop their own work and help the organisation that is closest to achieving OpenAI's stated goal.

really?

https://openai.com/charter

Second paragraph of the "Long-term safety" section.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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The problem is swapping LLMs can require rework of all your prompts, and you may be relying on specific features of OpenAI. If you don't then you are at a disadvantage or at least slowing down your work.

Isn’t the expectation that “prompt engineering” is going to become unnecessary as models continue to improve? Other models may be lagging behind GPT4 but not by much.

The dream maybe. You still have to instruct these natural language agents somehow, and they all have personalities.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Who grey-texted this comment? So confused who could disagree with it. Is that the problem, this comment is so obviously true, it's just redundant?

The problem is that you cannot finance the training of a competitive AI model and then turn around and give it all away for free. Who's supposed to pay for that?

Universities usually do that, they work on open problems and publish their findings for free.

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Consider the possibility that people who know a thing or two technology might still think AI brings a lot of good and that kneecapping AI isn't the right move at this time.

Yeah, it's a big debate atm with knowledgeable people on both sides.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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Who fires the board at a 501.3c?

I absolutely guarantee you when Microsoft owns 50% that they paid $50,000,000,000 for, that Microsoft is really in charge. The board and Ilya will all be gone within a month.

Via what mechanism?

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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GPT5 pre-training just ended I believe. Brock, Pachocki, Szymon Sidor, would have likely all been involved. These are huge losses. Pachocki led pre-training for GPT-4, and probably GPT-5. Brockman is the major engineer responsible for the efficiency improvements that enabled ChatGPT and GPT-4 to be even remotely cost-effective. That is a piece that is often overlooked, but OpenAI's advantage over the competition in c…

"Greg Brockman works 60 to 100 hours per week, and spends around 80% of the time coding. Former colleagues have described him as the hardest-working person at OpenAI." https://time.com/collection/time100-ai/6309033/greg-brockman...

What Brockman tweets is from technical standpoint the most mundane, boring, and obvious stuff I’ve read from a programmer. My reads of this guy have been he’s not working on any problems that are technically difficult (or interesting). It’s much easier to work long hours on easy problems. He also has a managerial vibe in all communications which supports my feeling.

Most programming work in any project and company is mundane, so I do agree someone taking care of all that without whining is actually extremely valuable. I couldn’t do it.

Still doesn’t really make sense to put him on such a pedestal like many in this thread. It seems like a cultural thing in the US to overvalue individuals, and downplay the importance of good teams.

Re: Three senior researchers have resigned from OpenAI

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post #193

This is escalating rather quickly. It is an incredibly irresponsible move by the OpenAI board. Hypergrowing company, and now they managed to shake up their user's trust in leadership stability. This has Adam's (D'Angelo) fingerprints all over it (for context, he did overthrow his co-founder, and Quora has been struggling ever since). This guy shouldn't sit on any board ever again. I predict the board will be fired, a…

Are you forgetting its a nonprofit? How could the board be fired? What does their charter say is the mechanism for removing a board member?
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