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Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by thiht »

giarc wrote: post #168

Launched today but all those companies already have registered the domains? So the public didn't get fair access to draw.ing??

New TLDs are usually opened in multiple phases:

- sunrise, usually reserved to TMCH users (trademarks)

- landrush/EAP (early access program), open to everyone with decreasing price every day of the phase

- pre-registrations, if I remember well it's to ask the registrar to try and register your domain name as soon as the GA phase opens (and you get refunded if the domain is already taken)

- and general availability

This is classic shit in the domain name business, nothing new here

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by thiht »

For people wondering how some of these domains are already reserved, new TLDs are usually made available in different phases:

- Sunrise is open to TMCH users (trademarks)

- EAP/Landrush (Early Access Program) is available for a few days/weeks before GA and the price decreases periodically (usually an EAP is 1 week and the price decreases daily)

- Pre-registrations are a "fake" phase in which you can pre-order a domain to the registrar, and they'll order it for you as soon as the GA opens (if the domain was already sold during earlier phases, or if someone pre-registered at another registrar that happened to be faster, you'll get refunded). It's a kind of backorder, specific to pre-GA phase

- GA (General Availability), where the TLD is finally open to everyone at GA pricing

During all these phases, domains can be sold in "tiers" (eg. "Premium") which is why some domains (1-2 letters, common dictionary words) are more expensive.

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by WarOnPrivacy »

moehm wrote: post #261
WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #224

Google has 46 tld that I found, many of them unavailable for public registration. .ads, .android, .app, .boo, .cal, .channel, .chrome, .dad, .day, .dclk, .dev, .docs, .drive, .eat, .esq, .fly, .foo, .gbiz, .gle, .gmail, .goog, .google, .guge, .hangout, .here, .how, .ing, .map, .meet, .meme, .mov, .new, .nexus, .page, .phd, .play, .prod, .prof, .rsvp, .search, .soy, .谷歌, .みんな, .グーグル, .youtube, .zip,

I'm not sure this list is correct, as e.g. according to ICANN Wiki[0] .map is still proposed, not yet delegated. [0] https://icannwiki.org/.map

Your link's details say the operational agreement was inked in 2016 and the domain entered delegation the following year.

It looks like the page's status flag never got updated all those years ago.

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by Izkata »

Wowfunhappy wrote: post #161
layer8 wrote: post #157

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every new TLD is a new opportunity for making money, and that’s why they won’t be going away anytime soon.

But making websites harder to find also costs money. "Was it 'draw.ing', 'drawi.ng', or just 'draw.com'? Screw it I'm using Powerpoint." Although I suppose making websites harder to find would increase Google searches...

There was a period where non-technical people would reflexively add ".com" to the end, getting "draw.ing.com"

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by moehm »

WarOnPrivacy wrote: post #323
moehm wrote: post #261

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I'm not sure this list is correct, as e.g. according to ICANN Wiki[0] .map is still proposed, not yet delegated. [0] https://icannwiki.org/.map

Your link's details say the operational agreement was inked in 2016 and the domain entered delegation the following year. It looks like the page's status flag never got updated all those years ago.

I'm wondering, the info box on the right says the status is proposed, and the linked "Map Status, ICANN.org"[0] lists all 3 applicants. But you are right, maybe I'm reading it wrong.

[0] https://gtldresult.icann.org/application-result/applications...

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by gorkish »

jeroenhd wrote: post #240
gorkish wrote: post #153

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Nobody is actually doing anything interesting with these. Now wait a second, that's not at all true. In my experience there are armies of people who use them to launch targeted phishing attacks at my business if they buy the goddamn thing before I do. At a certain point if you are lucky enough to have a business that's worth targeting, every new gTLD is just another fuck.ing security expense. Is phish.ing available…

Most phishing I've encountered comes from .com, in my experience. Everything but ccTLDs seems to be listed in some kind of spam filter (I tried to email from a personal .xyz domain for a while, it just doesn't work). .ru is also quite popular for some reason, but that seems to be mostly untargeted phishing attemps. Most shit comes from legitimate(-looking) gmail.coms and outlook.coms. I have a feeling people trust .c…

While what you say is completely true, unfortunately how I do my own security has very little to do with how my customers do their security. I see ccTLD and gTLD used in spearphishing and domain impersonation attacks on a frequent enough basis that I have form letters for the abuse reports. Start collecting some backscatter with a DMARC policy and you might be surprised at what you discover.

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by jug »

totetsu wrote: post #277
nusl wrote: post #199

I’m quite appalled. Pre-order now! Wonderful new TLD! Buy! But, it will cost an extra $1m if you want to do it now. Later than that, pay less but wait longer, and risk losing it. So, pay up or get lost. Can’t afford $1m for a domain? Sorry, bozo, maybe you can have the scraps when the bullies are done eating. This whole business is massive trash. The days of owning your own domain with any kind of nice name are fadin…

How exciting! grift.ing is available.

I guess domain.grift.ing would be a fun alias to register and set up.

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by andersrs »

squigz wrote: post #185
andersrs wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Conspiracy theory here: if you go to a big player like GoDaddy they'll sell their queries and some party will see the domain you want and squat it unless you register right away. Just use the whois command in your terminal.

This is the only conspiracy theory I subscribe to as well, and will never be convinced otherwise.

Are you the one person that believes Epstein killed himself?

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by Wowfunhappy »

Ferret7446 wrote: post #307
Wowfunhappy wrote: post #156

...if we're going to keep doing this, why even have top level domains anymore? How do they improve UX? Writing "draw.com" makes it clear you're referring to a (commercial) website. But "draw.ing"? Just drop the stupid dot: "drawing".

ICANN cannot administer every single domain in existence, so they delegate that to other entities. That delegation is segmented by TLD. Thus, TLDs indicate on who is responsible for administering the domain, and thus who to contact if something has gone wrong (e.g., if law enforcement wants to commandeer a domain). (At least in theory, I'm sure there are ambiguities in practice).

This is a good point, but couldn't the administrator just be part of the WHOIS record?

Re: The .ing top-level domain

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Post by xign »

themagician wrote: post #217
nusl wrote: post #199

I’m quite appalled. Pre-order now! Wonderful new TLD! Buy! But, it will cost an extra $1m if you want to do it now. Later than that, pay less but wait longer, and risk losing it. So, pay up or get lost. Can’t afford $1m for a domain? Sorry, bozo, maybe you can have the scraps when the bullies are done eating. This whole business is massive trash. The days of owning your own domain with any kind of nice name are fadin…

Does it even matter anymore? Domains have been replaced with apps and search anyway. Outside of maybe the top 100 domains, how many people are actually typing out a domain?

Websites are still super relevant, especially for more serious / professional usages, or in random circles like gaming (since PC gaming is a thing that refuses to die). Domains are still the primary way you get to control your web presence, and websites are still easier to spin up than apps while providing much more flexibility and control.

I do think it depends on what kind of sites you are building. If it's say a recipe website, sure people will just Google it and click on a link. But for websites with a specific purpose I think a easy-to-remember or at least a not-sketchy looking domain name still has some values. Some random examples: wikis (which actually have a .wiki TLD now), professional tools like Figma, a service that you want to sell, or let's say a social site like Discord, I feel that having a clean domain name still makes a difference. I don't know if anyone will ever be able to quantify it though.

E.g. I have been following gaming tournaments, and a lot of them are hosted on start.gg. I find that I can definitely remember it much easier than otherwise and I don't want to use an app for something like that, nor do I feel like bookmarking it.

(Note: To be fair though, start.gg is using a country-TLD and I personally have a distaste of abusing country TLDs like .gg/.io/.ly/.tv/etc but that's another story)

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