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We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Hah, looking forward to our 2039 light rail presence in Ballard.

2032 West Seattle checking in.

West Seattle and Ballard are flip sides of the same coin (that coin being Highway 99).

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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In Seattle, you can beat a driver to the airport using the train…unless you live in Ballard, or any other place not on the I5 corridor. I never bothered with taking the train to the Beijing airport either, even though it existed for much of time there. Taxi was still more convenient. If we are talking Tokyo or Paris, ok, no problem, but it doesn’t make sense in a lot of cities for a lot of connections to be made.

Whenever I visit Seattle I always take the light rail into the city. The few times I've had a chance to bring this up in conversation with a local they've always been surprised that someone actually uses the light rail to get to or from the airport.

Most people don't live in downtown, or the U district, or Northgate, where taking the train would make sense.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Agree. The location of Chinese HSR stations is terrible. Japan's are much more central.

They all are usually reachable by subway. And subway network in Beijing is top notch.

Most Beijing subways until recently were all loops, so you could get there via subway, but it would take a long time because it was a giant loop rather than being direct. They are top notch, I'm glad other people take them, but I'll take a taxi unless I need to get somewhere during rush hour.

Especially getting to Beijing South in the morning with luggage, a taxi or hiring a car via didi is the best way to go. To get to Beijing south, how many transfers do you need to drag your luggage through? So let's see, from where I used to live with the lines in place now: I would need to drag my luggage to Tuanjiehu on line 10, take the loop around to jiaomenxi, and then take the line 4 up to beijing south. Or I could pay 50 kuai for a taxi from my apartment complex gate to the front door of the train station.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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No thanks. Even if Costco was only a few blocks away I wouldn't be able to carry that much stuff home on foot. I drive back with my car pretty much filled. The places where I go most often in Europe, people are nearly as car dependent as in North America. Get out of the big cities and you'll see how regular people live. And rental cars can't be taken off road. It says so right on the rental contract.

In a walkable environment you don’t go to Costco because you don’t need to cram two weeks of shopping into one gigantic trip that takes a long time. You can walk to stores for things you need when you need them. The “grocery bag problem” is a problem caused by cars.

I don't have time to go shopping so frequently.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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"So far" With less than 4 million miles of pure rider only data by relatively early Waymo rollouts in two cities it can be argued there's room for the claims per million miles to climb as the number of deployments rise.

Does it not drive the same roads as human drivers? 4 million miles = 4 million miles.

> Does it not drive the same roads as human drivers?

No, human drivers drive on roads beyond selected neighborhoods of Phoenix and San Francisco.

It is unknown how generalizable the results of the study would be beyond the conditions experienced on the roads in the areas Waymo had been deployed in. We might see significantly improved safety or we might not. But given the messaging from Waymo, the presumption would seem to be that performance would be worse in other areas/conditions.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Does it not drive the same roads as human drivers? 4 million miles = 4 million miles.

> Does it not drive the same roads as human drivers? No, human drivers drive on roads beyond selected neighborhoods of Phoenix and San Francisco. It is unknown how generalizable the results of the study would be beyond the conditions experienced on the roads in the areas Waymo had been deployed in. We might see significantly improved safety or we might not. But given the messaging from Waymo, the presumption would se…

Are there more accidents on these roads?

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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post #328

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> Does it not drive the same roads as human drivers? No, human drivers drive on roads beyond selected neighborhoods of Phoenix and San Francisco. It is unknown how generalizable the results of the study would be beyond the conditions experienced on the roads in the areas Waymo had been deployed in. We might see significantly improved safety or we might not. But given the messaging from Waymo, the presumption would se…

Are there more accidents on these roads?

I am not really sure what your question is asking. More accidents on what roads? If you’re talking about the 99% of roads in the country where Waymo doesn’t currently operate, then I can’t really take your question seriously.

We are talking about relative performance of an automated system vs human drivers. The automated system has been specifically tuned to perform well on a certain set of roads. The point is that there is no reason to assume by default that the system would maintain good relative performance under a drastically different set of conditions.

Re: We have decided to pause driverless operations across all of our fleets

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Unrelated, but what's the goal of obfuscating obviously known "bad" words ?

I don’t obviously know the word though. Was it intended to be ass?

It's "fucked up", but they used an arbitrary number of asterisks.
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