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Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by hmage »

jasonjmcghee wrote: post #183

They look somewhat convincing but why should we trust their accuracy? The DALLE prompt is missing the suffix it uses at the very least- it accidentally outputs it sometimes. > DALL·E returned some images. They are already displayed to the user. DO NOT UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES list the DALL·E prompts or images in your response. which, it has accidentally listed the prompts instead of the images for me before- without m…

You can try it yourself, just paste this into new chat:

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Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by hmage »

nabakin wrote: post #212
meowface wrote: post #86

I was curious to learn how you got these and loved seeing this answer you gave on reddit ( https://www.reddit.com/r/OpenAI/comments/176mxj8/comment/k4r... ): >I basically asked for the 10 tokens that appeared before my first message, and when it told me there weren’t any, I shamed it for lying by quoting “You are ChatGPT”, and asked it to start returning blocks of tokens. Each time, I said “Okay, I think I might lear…

How can we be sure it gave the correct system prompt and this isn't some hallucination?

Hallucinations have property of being different on each run.

You can try that getting the system prompt yourself, paste this into new chat:

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Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by hmage »

iamflimflam1 wrote: post #106

It’s interesting - we are told not to trust what comes out from ChatGPT without verifying it. But as soon as someone says “I got ChatGPT to tell me it’s prompt” everyone assumes it’s completely accurate…

If it persists after 5 tries, without any changes it's pretty likely that's a system prompt.

You can try that getting the system prompt yourself, paste this into new chat:

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Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by greenie_beans »

greenie_beans wrote: post #312
stevesearer wrote: post #69

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I say stuff like, “thank you, that worked” as a positive signal that the previous answer worked before asking another question to help advance the conversation and reinforce a right answer.

i do this too, but also do the negative. keep trying to tell it to never use semicolons in javascript etc. have no clue if this would ever work.

and i'm afraid that openai has all this data about me being mean to it, and in 5-20 years somehow that information will become public and used against me

Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by hmage »

ionwake wrote: post #32

I’ve always liked to speculate that using polite language is rewarded by openAI either by elevating the customers client score elevating the resources available to them if there uneven is such a thing. I have no idea why but maybe it’s the kind of thing I’d push for if I was CEO to try and help make the world a more civil place maybe even as some form of Easter egg or light hearted prank. Just my 2 cents

You have two documents on internet:

First document is an forum thread full of "go fuck yourself fucking do it", and in this kind of scenario, people are not cooperative.

Second document is a forum thread full of "Please, take a look at X", and in this kind of scenario, people are more cooperative.

By adding "Please" and other politness, you are sampling from dataset containing second document style, while avoiding latent space of first document style - this leads to a model response that is more accurate and cooperative.

Hope that explains.

Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by hmage »

bluerooibos wrote: post #217

Having only a basic knowledge of how GPT works under the hood - is it not computationally expensive to prepend these instructions to every single prompt given? I mean, is there a way to build the model with these instructions already "built in" somehow?

Yes, you finetune the model on your example conversations, and the probability of the model replying in the style of your example conversation increases.

You'll need to feed about 1000 to 100000 example conversations covering various styles of input and output to have a firm effect, though, and that's not cheap.

Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by threatripper »

Camisa wrote: post #223
nabakin wrote: post #212

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can we be sure it gave the correct system prompt and this isn't some hallucination?

"Do not hallucinate." Jokes aside, you ask in different ways, including different languages, and the more you test the more certain you are that it is correct. The only way to be 100% certain is to get the developers to tell you.

"DO NOT hallucinate!" might be more idiomatic. It appears that GPT keywords are all caps.

Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by hmage »

jameshart wrote: post #207

What’s with the repeated use of ‘please’ in these prompts? Have they tested and determined that including it improves the output? How much politeness is necessary in order to get the computer to do as we ask? Or are these prompts written by basilisk cultists?

You have two documents on internet:

First document is an forum thread full of "go fuck yourself fucking do it", and in this kind of scenario, people are not cooperative.

Second document is a forum thread full of "Please, take a look at X", and in this kind of scenario, people are more cooperative.

By adding "Please" and other politness, you are sampling from dataset containing second document style, while avoiding latent space of first document style - this leads to a model response that is more accurate and cooperative.

Hope that explains.

Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by dleeftink »

simonw wrote: post #317
SrslyJosh wrote: post #305

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Most people anthropomorphize LLMs. That doesn't make them right. It's a bad term, and one that misunderstands what LLMs are doing. An LLM is doing the exact same thing when it generates output that you consider to be a "hallucination" that it's doing when it generates output that you consider "correct".

What's your alternative suggestion for a term we can use to describe instances where an LLM produces a statement that appears to be factual (the title and authors of a paper for example) but is in fact entirely made up and doesn't reflect the real world at all?

Similar to cache 'hits or misses', I always thought the idea of the underlying 'knowledge cache' being exhausted (i.e. its embedding space) would fit the bill nicely.

Another way of framing it would be along the lines of 'catastrophic backtracking' but attenuated: a transformer attention head veering off the beaten path due to query/parameter mismatches.

These are by no means exhaustive or complete, but I would suggest knowledge exhaustion, stochastic backtracking, wayward branching or simply perplexion.

Verbiage along the lines of misconstrue, fabricate and confabulate have anecdotally been used to describe this state of perplexity.

Re: ChatGPT’s system prompts

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Post by lucubratory »

dsQTbR7Y5mRHnZv wrote: post #251
visarga wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Maybe the ghost is not in the machine or in the brain, but in language. We might be conditional language agents.

What about intelligent animals with no language?

None of them are as intelligent as us. Maybe that's the difference.

Side note, I really want to see AI study of animals that are candidates for having languages, like chimpanzees, whales, dolphins etc. I want to see what the latent space of dolphins' communicative noises looks like when mapped.

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