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Right or wrong, it can be a really difficult thing to do when the problem behaviour is not due to malice. You’re taking away a community from someone, and in my experience, usually it’s someone who doesn’t have many other social outlets. It does not feel good to get pleading emails from these sorts of folks, knowing that you have to stand firm and say ‘no’ for the health of the wider community.
> usually it’s someone who doesn’t have many other social outlets A support forum is not a "social outlet".
Don't use Discord as your Q&A forum
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It was not intended to be sarcasm. It was indeed a criticism of the average HN perspective which I find far removed from the perspective of a given user.
Now I’m even more confused. Do you think Usenet, mailing Lists and forums aren’t social media?
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This is obviously false since there are several people in this discussion who have mentioned they search previous issues
Maybe the people of HN are just a small minority of users that contribute GitHub Issues on popular public repositories and not very well representative of the whole? Have you maintained a popular repository on GitHub? I can vouch for tons of spam/duplicate Issues.
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I find blocks are almost necessary for me to be able to stand to use Mastodon. There are a lot of decent people there and participating can feel really worthwhile to me but there are a lot of very angry people and even 1% of crazy angry toots can wreck my mood and I feel I wouldn’t want to participate otherwise. One kind of behavior I can’t stand is people who call other people “fascists” indiscriminately because the…
While I can relate to that, as that's how I made Twitter tolerable, is that really as much of an issue on the Fediverse which doesn't have algorithmic recommendations? I only have to see posts from the people I follow and I don't follow anyone who has a tendency to like "rage post"ing so I basically never see that sort of stuff unless I look at the global feed.
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I find blocks are almost necessary for me to be able to stand to use Mastodon. There are a lot of decent people there and participating can feel really worthwhile to me but there are a lot of very angry people and even 1% of crazy angry toots can wreck my mood and I feel I wouldn’t want to participate otherwise. One kind of behavior I can’t stand is people who call other people “fascists” indiscriminately because the…
While I can relate to that, as that's how I made Twitter tolerable, is that really as much of an issue on the Fediverse which doesn't have algorithmic recommendations? I only have to see posts from the people I follow and I don't follow anyone who has a tendency to like "rage post"ing so I basically never see that sort of stuff unless I look at the global feed.
You can measure what inflames people or you can predict what inflames people, measuring is always going to be more acccurate.
… and you can do that measuring by counting boosts or (on HN) taking the ratio of comments/votes. 0.5 is about the median, articles that go above 2 are well in the danger zone.
In my mind the chronological feed with boosting is pretty toxic on its own, an “explore” feed based on what is getting boosted is even worse.
YOShInOn’s main feed I look at every day is based on (1) clustering and (2) prediction of my upvotes and downvotes, I don’t particularly upvote toxic articles, in fact, I make a point to down vote them so my feed is calming and low in sensationalism. (Though there was a time I was into articles from The Guardian about how the UK is going to hell…). So that kind of algorithmic feed is not inflammatory.
If you use “boost count” or judged sentiment or the like you could make a model that amplifies or diminishes angry content. The thing is voting and boosting is not all bad, I post a lot of flower pics to Mastodon because they get boosted, up to a point discussions on HN are a good thing, If you used a sentiment model to suppress angry content in a voting/boosting process that might be very good.
Sometimes I think about making an “angry toot” model but I can’t stand the thought of looking at 5000 angry toots (well, i have thought about testing a weight loss plan based on inducing a psychogenic fever and maybe that would work…)
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> If there is a common issue, one person will ask about it on the issues page and then everyone else can benefit from that discussion. Have you ever seen the GitHub issues of a halfway popular repo? Once a project is big enough to attract all the low quality users, the same question/problem will be asked/reported over and over again. The maintainers will have to deal with a mess either way. They might as well choose…
On Discord, if it's an active community, 99% of the time the person to respond first will be another community member and not an active maintainer. Because people are already on Discord, they'll see a channel light up and decide to drop in. Compare that to GitHub issues where pretty much just the maintainer will get an email and the advantage is clear.
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> This is what the Discord API is for. There's a really simple API to dump the chat history. Just make a cron job to dump every 10 min or so, and host that on a static site. Problem solved. I don’t see why anyone complains about Discord user experience when you can just manually implement basic functionality that the Discord devs didn’t see fit to put in. Why would anybody post on a forum when you could just write a…
I normally don't reply to stuff like this because you are clearly arguing in bad faith. I just wanted to point out you either have failed to read my comment in context, are intentionally mischaracterizing what I said. Going from what I said to "write a custom client for Discord from scratch" has to be a joke. Also that TOS violation thing is simply not true. You are well within your rights to download the history of…
I’m not sure why you’d feel the need to come back and do a victory lap. You’ve thoroughly debunked the idea that the Discord search UX is less than stellar by pointing out that you personally built and maintain your own search UX based off of API that is both universally understood and governed by a TOS that none could possibly misinterpret.
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#330I recently found a repo for an Xbox wireless controller kernel driver where the GitHub issues page was turned off and instead they used discord. I asked why they don’t have GitHub issues turned on and they said they “didn’t want it to become a support forum”. I couldn’t believe it. If there is a common issue, one person will ask about it on the issues page and then everyone else can benefit from that discussion. On d…
That'd almost definitely turn me off from using that project. Whenever I'm assessing if a project is good enough to use, the first thing I check is the issues to see what bugs/missing features there are and what things users commonly need help with. If I had to waste time digging through their discord to understand that when the issues page can give a quick overview, I wouldn't bother with the project unless it was s…