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Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Post by tredre3 »

brian_cloutier wrote: post #239
Analemma_ wrote: post #190

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I mean the root comment pretty much already explained it. It is literally impossible for Worldcoin to actually perform its stated purpose, therefore it's a scam.

It is literally impossible for a simple deadbolt to keep intruders from entering your house. Are locks scams? Separately, I strongly suspect that your idea of worldcoin's "stated purpose" is not something they have ever stated.

> Separately, I strongly suspect that your idea of worldcoin's "stated purpose" is not something they have ever stated.

I encourage you to read their whitepaper, where they state that world id is indeed a proof of personhood. The allegation in this thread is that it fails at proving that someone is a unique person, and it cannot possibly due so because of the oracle problem. Therefore it is a scam.

https://whitepaper.worldcoin.org/

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Post by yreg »

JohnFen wrote: post #317
yreg wrote: post #65

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I don't find this helpful. Captchas have solved a real problem. They did work.

Captchas reduced a real problem, certainly, but didn't solve it. And they come with collateral damage. I'm not asserting that the compromise they present is a bad one (or a good one). Just that they're a compromise.

You are hair splitting. Okay yes captchas successfully reduced the problem. That doesn't make a difference to the topic.

How can we _reduce_ the problem once captchas are obsolete?

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Post by gochi »

klyrs wrote: post #304
gochi wrote: post #290

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>My identity on hackernews is over 11 years old. Creating such an identity with the comment history, connection to a true name, and content over 11 years would be very expensive. Likely more expensive that a fake passport. You can buy very old accounts on any platform for very cheap. Like under $100 for a 10 year account on a popular platform cheap. Most platforms offer comment editing, and most people don't archive…

On HN you can only edit comments until they're 2h old, only delete them until somebody responds. Editing history as you've described would require admin privileges. Good luck getting that for $100.

This assumes that platforms never change policies and that admin privileges are expensive and impenetrable. Neither are true, as we've already witnessed multiple times now across various platforms.

Re: Worldcoin isn’t as bad as it sounds: It’s worse

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Post by TRiG_Ireland »

chaxor wrote: post #164
Finnucane wrote: post #92

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As in, the promises they claim are different from the actual results, and they know this as they are saying them. It is a con, like everything crypto.

Everything in cryptography is a scam. Cool. Ssh is a scam. Got it.

Methinks you're committing the etymological fallacy. Crypto is not cryptography. Crypto is a specific subset of cryptography, quite far removed (in purpose, if not in technology) from normal cryptography.

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Post by latchkey »

philwelch wrote: post #320
latchkey wrote: post #306

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Yes, don't take it into the white house.

Buying or selling cannabis anywhere in the United States is a federal crime. I’m not sure what the White House has to do with this, unless you’re making a topical joke but that was cocaine.

Yea, it was a double ended joke. Mostly about the fact that it is a federal building, hence not legal, and partly about cokegate.

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Post by klyrs »

gochi wrote: post #323
klyrs wrote: post #304

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On HN you can only edit comments until they're 2h old, only delete them until somebody responds. Editing history as you've described would require admin privileges. Good luck getting that for $100.

This assumes that platforms never change policies and that admin privileges are expensive and impenetrable. Neither are true, as we've already witnessed multiple times now across various platforms.

No, it doesn't. I'm not speaking of "platforms." I'm speaking of exactly one platform that has an extremely small admin crew. Buying your way to a rewritten history on HN is highly implausible. Hacking, perhaps, but I'd expect that this community has been rattling those doors for the platform's entire existence.

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Post by philwelch »

latchkey wrote: post #325
philwelch wrote: post #320

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Buying or selling cannabis anywhere in the United States is a federal crime. I’m not sure what the White House has to do with this, unless you’re making a topical joke but that was cocaine.

Yea, it was a double ended joke. Mostly about the fact that it is a federal building, hence not legal, and partly about cokegate.

Gotcha :)

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Post by nemo44x »

JohnFen wrote: post #314
nemo44x wrote: post #264

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I don't see that per-se. I think it's more likely that capitalism continues to rapidly advance technology to the point where we truly do evolve evolution. So a certain part of the global population will have access to DNA synthesizers and other biotech and AI and can reproduce a master race of post-humans that will dominate and eventually annihilate Homosapiens. After a few generations of rapid improvement (a singula…

> Capitalism is a system (much more than just an economic system) that allows for selection like this. You just described capitalism as a kind of suicide pact. I don't entirely disagree, but limit this critique to unrestricted capitalism. Unrestricted capitalism is a monster that would, if never restrained, basically destroy everything.

Yeah like a creative destruction type thing. I think the point is to destroy whatever this is by the process of evolving evolution via capitalism’s ability to rapidly push forward tech which creates genetic/dna synthesis which evolves into post-humans.

How can we stop a force of nature?

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Post by nemo44x »

JohnFen wrote: post #315
nemo44x wrote: post #286

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Maybe, maybe not - but that's sort of the point. It doesn't really matter since there's no alternative. Accelerationism isn't even a conscience choice per-se - it's a phenomenon that is a product of technological advancement of which Capitalism is the vehicle for. If anything, the only conscious choice is to not resist it as that's ultimately futile since it can't be stopped. Well, unless we went full Teddy K, which…

This is not a rational response, I admit, but I simply cannot accept that our doom is inevitable and resistance is futile. If that's the case, then what's the point of even waking up tomorrow?

Personally I don’t think nihilism is a great compass. You’re right - what’s the point? But do we need a higher good to beat on? Why not just enjoy the essence of our personal temporal existences and make whatever meaning makes sense to us as individuals?

And I don’t think doom is the right word. I mean yeah, Homosapien as we know it being wiped out but in a way similar to Neanderthal.

But it’s just one theory on it all. :)

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