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Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by bayindirh »

darreninthenet wrote: post #317
kelnos wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Google can do something that every one of it's users hates I don't think this is remotely the case. Quite a few tech-savvy people I know (some of them software developers) use Chrome and mostly don't care about whatever Google does with it. I mention "manifest v3" and get a blank stare. I talk about advertising and ad blockers, and most people don't care, with some of them not even using ad blockers. We really…

I have to disagree with Firefox... in terms of functionality and configurability it's by far and away my preferred browser but in terms of performance it just crunches to a crawl on my Mac. Load times of pages are absolutely fine but changing tabs crunch , scroll down the webpage judder freeze whereas Edge is just silky smooth. Maybe it's an extension or three I'm running but I just want to use the bloody thing not s…

Using Firefox on a couple of Macs (one of them is >8 years old), and a couple of Linux systems.

Setting aside the fact that it's as fast as or faster than Chrome, it doesn't crawl any of my machines with >500 tabs (this has 562 as of now).

If you want to dig into your performance numbers there's "about:performance" to see what is using your processor and RAM.

Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by lozenge »

ineptech wrote: post #93
kelnos wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> When Google can do something that every one of it's users hates I don't think this is remotely the case. Quite a few tech-savvy people I know (some of them software developers) use Chrome and mostly don't care about whatever Google does with it. I mention "manifest v3" and get a blank stare. I talk about advertising and ad blockers, and most people don't care, with some of them not even using ad blockers. We really…

I don't buy this. I'm sure most iphone users don't care when you ask them about privacy or manifest v3 as an abstract concept, but remember what happened when Apple tried to push a U2 album to them? They lost their collective shit. They may not write blog posts about privacy or donate to the EFF, but they have deeply personal relationships with "their" phone and they absolutely hate being reminded that it isn't reall…

Nobody would care about the U2 album today. It would be just another pop up or advertising notice among many others.

Microsoft recommends Edge! Review your choices! 90 days free Apple TV! Upgrade your iCloud to continue backups!

The only one that slightly moved the meter is your documents moving to OneDrive, even that only had an impact because of a data loss bug.

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Post by animuchan »

redeeman wrote: post #135
redeeman wrote: post #88

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thats because mozilla simply stopped having any interest in browsing whatsoever. They now have an interest in limited edition color drops and with their bespoke charactaristic allowing users to select color that best resonates with them. You and I, as mere mortals, may not know what this means, but rest assured, mozilla does.

to whomever downvoted this, you clearly need some more independent voices in your life, but fear not, Mozilla got you covered: https://blog.mozilla.org/en/products/firefox/firefox-news/in...

Wow! This is depressing.

Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by darreninthenet »

bayindirh wrote: post #321
darreninthenet wrote: post #317

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have to disagree with Firefox... in terms of functionality and configurability it's by far and away my preferred browser but in terms of performance it just crunches to a crawl on my Mac. Load times of pages are absolutely fine but changing tabs crunch , scroll down the webpage judder freeze whereas Edge is just silky smooth. Maybe it's an extension or three I'm running but I just want to use the bloody thing not s…

Using Firefox on a couple of Macs (one of them is >8 years old), and a couple of Linux systems. Setting aside the fact that it's as fast as or faster than Chrome, it doesn't crawl any of my machines with >500 tabs (this has 562 as of now). If you want to dig into your performance numbers there's "about:performance" to see what is using your processor and RAM.

Did that and weirdly nothing seems to be excessive... indeed the Macs own performance monitor doesn't suggest anything is particular excessively using cpu or ram but here it is juddering away especially when scrolling pages.

Three year old Mac btw... everything else runs pretty well... if I get a chance I might fire up Firefox in Parallels and see if it's a Mac issue

Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by choeger »

We need legislation that clarifies who owns a device and what consequences this ownership has. But we won't ever get it as governments and corporations feel that they should own the device. If they ever agree on a separation of ownership, it's game over. Our devices will become our biggest enemies.

Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by fouc »

I think the wisest course of action is to boycott all chromium-based browsers. Yes it might be painful, yes you might not have your favorite extension or add-on. Suck it up. I've been exclusively using Safari for years, even after extensions were killed.

Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by kuschku »

gloosx wrote: post #301
whatshisface wrote: post #296

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> once a copy of the content is server to AT LEAST one attested user agent – what prevents him from sharing his copy with unattested users? This is already covered by the DRM in all major web browsers today. If your software will allow that, it can't get attested.

I don't understand – how exactly DRM knows that I have a video-capture card recording my screen right now? The browser has no idea. Or what prevents me from copying NYT article and re-hosting it? What DRM has to do with it?

Google's DRM today already enforces HDCP. You only see an encrypted mess in all debug tools of the browser in that case.

Re: Google’s nightmare “Web Integrity API” wants a DRM gatekeeper for the web

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Post by grishka »

bayindirh wrote: post #279

That's wrong on so many levels, I don't know even where to start. First of all I hate this "proposals" which is actually, "we implemented this in our flagship product, and kindly force it on our users, you don't have to use it, if you have a choice", stance. Then comes all the "ensuring they aren't a robot and that the browser hasn't been modified or tampered with in any unapproved ways." part. I'm using an open sour…

> It's 90s DRM wave all over again.

Except in the 90s you controlled 100% of the code running on your computer. Now there are all kinds of treacherous computing with all those "trusted" execution environments and TPMs and all the other bullshit that can't be avoided, with someone else's public keys burned into the silicon.

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