Apple releases Ipad 3 • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by kamjam » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 12:06 PM UTC

sneak wrote: post #279

cletus wrote: post #276

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I'm disappointed the "top" comment on this announcement is nothing more than a sideways swipe at an unrelated topic from someone who clearly has an axe to grind. In Australia, the ACCC banned the use of the word "unlimited" (with respect to Internet access, wireless or fixed-line) unless it truly was unlimited. No shaping, hard or soft quotas, excess usage charges and vague "fair use" provisions. The result? You get…

"why not iPad 3? Seriously!" The video shown at the end of the announcement event has an Apple employee referring to it as "the third-generation iPad". This seems very strange to me, considering how on-message Apple has ALWAYS been in the past. It's just... sloppy. I wonder if Apple has a future beyond its current momentum. I'll be convinced otherwise ifwhen they release another world-changing product that wasn't inv…

Yeah, but they did the same with the iPhone as well... the iPhone 3/3GS, iPhone 4/4S.

I've not really read up a huge amount on the specs of this, just a couple of basic articles - new stuff includes higher def screen, better camera, 4G support. Evolutionary rather than revolutionary, maybe that's why they decided it doesn't need a whole new release number. Who knows.

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by joshAg » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 12:37 PM UTC

Welp, this does it for me. As soon as i can get a completely carrier unlocked iPad in the bay area, I'm going to switch from my laptop (x61t) to this new iPad plus a dock and a BT keyboard and mouse. All I really need is an ssh/X-window server app, and I can run all my programs on my server or desktop.

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by mgkimsal » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 1:59 PM UTC

dagw wrote: post #299

mgkimsal wrote: post #277

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"They (apparently) didn't anticipate seeing a significant percentage of their customers try to use the cellular networks for transferring large quantities of data, and thought that for most people "unlimited" would just be a marketing-friendly euphemism for "a couple hundred megabytes."" I wonder if many execs and marketing people at large mobile companies really didn't see this coming, as we had years of 'unlimited…

many mobile execs don't seem to 'get it' with respect to mobile data. I'm pretty sure they 'get it' just fine, but did the math and carefully worked out exactly how shitty service they can offer at what price without making too many people cancel.

Yeah, that's probably close to the truth. I hate being so cynical, but it's probably reality.

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by cmillllllls » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 2:10 PM UTC

Apple should of bought t-mobile or another wireless company with 4g capability. It would allow them to have "apple" plans and could allow them to profit big from data plans. At&T is getting it for $39 billion. At this point, Apple has over $100 billion in the bank that they apparently don't know what to do with. SMH

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by toadkick » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 2:18 PM UTC

toadkick wrote: post #283

Fizzer wrote: post #40

Does anyone know if OpenGL's 1024x1024 image size restriction is being raised as well? Seems pretty limiting to not even be able to make an image that's as big as the screen without tiling four of them together.

The max texture size has been 2048x2048 since the 3GS

Sounds like on the new iPad the max has further increased to 4096x4096

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by TheFuture » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 3:46 PM UTC

guelo wrote: post #60

The world of LCD panels baffles me. For some reason Apple can sell an iPad with a 2048x1536 IPS screen for $500 but your average $1,000 laptop comes with a crappy 1366x768 TFT screen or maybe 1920x1080 if you're lucky.

I thought the same thing. It was one of the reasons I didn't think they'd be able to do a retina iPad, it would just be too expensive.

Look at the prices of your average 47" LCD HDTV sets, way over $500. And they're probably making less money per unit than the iPad. I don't know how Apple is doing it.

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Post by woobar » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 4:33 PM UTC

megablast wrote: post #202

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The comparison to the amount of RAM in TF101 doesn't make any sense. It runs different software.

It all runs different software, but games are generally going to use the same amount of data.

Generally? Does MW3 uses same amount of data on PS (256MB + 256MB), XBox(512MB), Wii (88MB) and PC (2GB required)?

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by jarek » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 5:22 PM UTC

jiggy2011 wrote: post #188

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The farther away from this Samsung Galaxy S II Epic 4G Touch nonsense, the happier I'll be. I think the reason people misattribute Apple's success to marketing is because everyone else's marketing is just godawful. And no, I didn't make that name up.

I can believe it , most laptops have names that are pretty much impossible to remember which in turn makes it very difficult to recommend a specific model to anybody not to mention uninspiring.

Not that recommending a "15 inch Macbook Pro 2.4 GHz with a 2.5 GHz CPU, a 256GB Solid State Drive, and the Hi-Res Antiglare Widescreen Display" is particularly straightforward or inspiring.

Re: Apple releases Ipad 3

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Post by rdl » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 5:23 PM UTC

hmottestad wrote: post #319

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There was a single plant which made big laptop IPS panels (15-17") which got shut down; they were used in IBM FlexView on the Lenovos up to the T60p (2006). IPS is still rare between iPad size and small high-end monitor size (20"). I'm still sad that even the MBP 17 comes with a 6-bit PVA panel. It's a nice panel, but dramatically inferior to an 8 or 10 bit IPS.

The MBP comes with TN, not PVA. PVA is actually a fairly good technology. S-PVA has the darkest blacks of all panels, but is really really slow. You can see the ghosting when the camera pans in a movie.

Ah. From what I've read now, only some models of the Lenovo X200t ever shipped with PVA in a laptop (some were IPS, some were PVA). I guess different qualities of TN make a difference.

It all makes the IPS panels in the iPads even more impressive. From what I've read the IPS panel yield goes down with DPI, too, so the panel in the iPad (Early 2012) is amazing.

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Post by batista » Thu, Mar 08, 2012, 6:16 PM UTC

beedogs wrote: post #278

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Really? What do you know about the cost of infrastructure and its capacity? Thank you.

I know enough to conclude that it hasn't gotten more expensive to ship bits in the past ten years. Yet, here we are in the US, shifting from unlimited data plans to rate-limited, capped plans, and no one seems to have come up with a convincing explanation as to why that's occurring.

I know enough to conclude that it hasn't gotten more expensive to ship bits in the past ten years.

Are you kidding me?

We went from simple networks to 3G to 4G --which requires new infrastructure deployments every few years.

We went from the mobile web being almost nothing to hundreds of millions of very capable mobile web devices in the past ten years (iPhone/iPad/Android...).

Network usage increased exponentially with the newer, more useful devices. People were buying "unlimited" plans and used 100-300MB per month, not they can easily go to over several GBs.

It's like you have a "unlimited free refills" soda fountain. When everyone has 2-3 drinks it's ok. When everyone starts having 10-20 sodas, well, you start putting some limit to those "unlimited refills".