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There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

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Re: There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

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I just want floating point, then this silly loudness war would end (to some extent, since you can make the mix almost infinitely loud).

So you want your music clipped or limited by the DAC? Or do you envision amps and speakers capable of generating shockwaves powerful enough to level entire cities?

Hotblack Desiato, is that you?

Re: There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

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Yeah I get that I'm getting older. It's just, what's the point of having a stereo that gives perfect playback at 22 kHz if you can't hear it? I'm guessing there must be something since people buy gear like that, or is just a case of deranged audiophiles?

You might not hear a pure 22kHz sine but any sound from, say, a harpsichord will have much off these highs, and some think it is a part off the sound, that one feel without actually hearing it. I'm not endorsing this view, sound islike wine tasting, a lot of hand waving and few solid ground.

There's blind wine tasting, if you want the real deal. Without the hand waving.

Re: There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

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I don't see how a sharp filter could be needed if the DAC is oversampling.

Obviously. Analogue audio does not have a sampling rate. The ADC however can oversample all it wants, but if the output is 44.1 kHz, it needs an aliasing filter that cuts off at 22.05 kHz.

We appear to be in complete agreement with each other.

Re: There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

#324
There is no harm in releasing higher quality uncompressed or loss-less tracks. At the worst they will bring in some new customers, such as myself, that currently will not buy music online. Why would I pay $10 for an album as a highly compressed download when I can pay the same price for the CD and rip it to FLAC myself? I realize I am in the minority here, but as CDs phase out even more, there has to be some other way for consumers to obtain high quality versions of tracks.

Footnote, you don't have to have a >$10,000 setup to benefit from higher quality tracks (compared to the downloads that sometimes have 'questionable' quality). I have two systems, a full range stereo (front left and right) setup for nearfield listening at my desk thats +/- 1DB from 50hz-20khz. The other is a stereo setup in my media room; 2 way quarter wave transmission line, +/-3DB 40hz-20khz. The point is, there are a lot of people with less than $1200 in audio gear that still want lossless tracks made available. Who cares if the human ear can't discern much of the extra information, we still want it.

Re: There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

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From Footnote 1: [...] If we were to use the full dynamic range of 24bit and a listener had the equipment to reproduce it all, there is a fair chance, depending on age and general health, that the listener would die instantly. The most fit would probably just go into coma for a few weeks and wake up totally deaf.

Re: There is no point to distributing music in 24-bit/192kHz format.

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Isn't science verified through (wait for it...) experimentation? So how does my hearing not invalidate your science? That's the problem with the theoretical science. When it's false, it's false. Come up with a new hypothesis; this one's false as it pertains to human hearing. There's information theory, and then there's auditory reality. Reality confounds the theory as applied to hearing. I don't know where the fault…

> So how does my hearing not invalidate your science? Because it's not a blind study. In audio, claiming something sounds better than something else is low-strength evidence, because it doesn't: 1) distinguish psychological bias (which is very strong in this area) from actual audible results; or 2) distinguish which characteristics of speakers, if any, you may be hearing. If you can consistently ABX two speakers that…

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