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Post by Guthur »

WastingMyTime89 wrote: post #308
beremaki wrote: post #158

Situation in France will not end well. Both rule of law and liberal democracy are increasingly damaged. Our institutions are so weak that we are one election away from a complete disaster. Our constitution always concentrated a lot of power in the hand of the president but there is no effective counter-power left. The government set multiple precedent that violate freedom of assembly and association and parliamentary…

Classic French answer confusing the fairly good situation in the country for a disaster. France has been for the past sixty years and remains an extremely technocratic country. Counter-powers are still everywhere in the administration. The judiciary system is fully independent and works well. The balance between the parliament and the executive is extremely in favour of the president (which is still elected every fiv…

Oh yeah everyone must work harder, for some reason we have more technology than ever before and more people than ever before, but we all must work harder.

There's enough food and energy if we so choose but no; artificial crisis from coughs to barbarian hordes on the horizon mean you must be poorer and work harder.

We could all just actually wake up and realise they are lying they are always lying. They dare not tell the truth for you'd realise how much they lie when truth would shine so bright.

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Post by hef19898 »

nmlr wrote: post #257
piokoch wrote: post #228

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Wait for the next election in Germany. AfD has just climbed to the 2nd place with 20% of support and is still growing. Believe or not, one day you will miss someone like Orban.

Protest votes. What would one expect if the Green party is suddenly a warmongering party and Scholz is silent about Nord Stream even after the Washington Post essentially blames Ukraine? Also, while I don't like the people in the AfD, they are still mostly the former right wing of the CDU/CSU, which is not comparable to Orban. CDU/CSU can blame itself for mismanagement.

The Greens suddenly supported war? The first deployment of German armed forces since WW2 happened under a SPD/Green government, over 20 years ago.

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Post by formerly_proven »

skitout wrote: post #238
piokoch wrote: post #228

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Wait for the next election in Germany. AfD has just climbed to the 2nd place with 20% of support and is still growing. Believe or not, one day you will miss someone like Orban.

Germany power is less centralized, with more powerful counter-power than Hungary , reducing the risk of seeing an Orban like situation.

Germany tends to have 1.34 liberal-ish governments followed by sixteen years of conservatives.

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Post by skitout »

qsdf38100 wrote: post #285
jle17 wrote: post #231

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There is definitely a tendency to authoritarianism and confusionism from the current government, directed at political opposition. "Security" laws extending the powers of the police and creating new ways to criminalize protest have been passed at a constant rhythm over the years since Sarkozy's time. After the state of urgency of 2015, part of the dispositions where simply put into law permanently. Police has been in…

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Not sure what Melenchon is doing in its list as one of it core element of its political platform is to have a new constitution with less power to the president, more counter powers, more power "to the people"

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Post by pif »

batch12 wrote: post #303
throwaway290 wrote: post #271

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When they came for the protesters you did not speak out because you was not a protester... Beware when they come for you there will be no one left to speak out. ( https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_ )

I hope they come for the clichés and razors first... https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

What every programmer should know about "First they came" :-)

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Post by xinayder »

piokoch wrote: post #228
beremaki wrote: post #190

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What I say is that IF France becomes an illiberal democracy, it is going to be far worse for EU than what happened in Hungary. Hungary and France are absolutely not on the same scale

Wait for the next election in Germany. AfD has just climbed to the 2nd place with 20% of support and is still growing. Believe or not, one day you will miss someone like Orban.

> Believe or not, one day you will miss someone like Orban.

I think you're sugarcoating the statement. Any type of authoritarianism is bad, would you mind elaborating why AfD would be worse than what Orban or Duda or even Erdogan are doing to their countries?

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Post by derelicta »

ikt wrote: post #307
tut-urut-utut wrote: post #287

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You criticise Macron for visiting a „dictator“ but not for being dictator himself? Macrons pushing of retirement law change against both public and parliament is definitely not democratic.

I think maybe because the rest of the world sees those changes he pushed through as incredibly mild he increased the pension age because people are getting older and the state will not be able to afford it? wow what a crazy dictator

He used emergency powers to pass the law because he knew such law would hardly survive the regular legisative process. It might not be a Putin-style dictatorships but its definitively heading in the wrong direction.

And thats without mentionning the use of abuse of administration prohibitions towards anti-racist associations and environmental groups.

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Post by yieldcrv »

tempestn wrote: post #56
yieldcrv wrote: post #45

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I was thinking about an uber or courier service that takes your phone for a walk Pretty much relying on the assumption that investigators will find stationary phones suspicious when they spy on you Could put them in those charging lockboxes seen as airports and festivals, the infrastructure is already there Guess I’ll market it to climate activists in europe lol edit: maybe those delivery robots are even better couri…

If a stationary phone is suspicious, imagine how suspicious it'll look when prosecutors show someone was using that service.

strength in numbers

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Post by xinayder »

light_hue_1 wrote: post #233
FreelanceX wrote: post #180

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> EU knows and complains about Poland & Hungary but France is going to be a shitshow of a far worse magnitude. I am French too and this sounds greatly exaggerated. Either you don't really know about the situation in Hungary or you have a very twisted view of what's happening in France (maybe induced by the medias). You should take a step back.

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And even if democracy ends up dying in France, the French have the history of overthrowing governments; they did it several times before, they can do it again if push comes to shove.
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