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Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by HelloMcFly »

OGWhales wrote: post #214
HelloMcFly wrote: post #164

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> To me Occam's Razor suggests that any giant social network inevitably declines into group-think and mod fiefdoms, barring an active mitigation strategy. And I would argue any giant social network also inevitably declines into troll behavior and bad-faith brigading without active mitigation strategies. It is hard to balance these things. I certainly think "I'm routinely regarded as an a-hole because I act like one"…

> I certainly think "I'm routinely regarded as an a-hole because I act like one" to be much more plausible than "I'm routinely regarded as an a-hole because this giant social network has a metaphorical auto-immune disease that results in me experiencing this routinely." Especially when others participate in that same social network and don't experience that same problem. The one benefit I could give this person is th…

My own experience indicates that people seeking those subs out also have a higher likelihood of being intentionally provocative, and the line between "provocative" and "troll" is very different for very different people.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by geenat »

philovivero wrote: post #221
Andrex wrote: post #134

Coincidentally, I've been going through Digg's history including v4 and their early history, because it's nostalgic for me. What people don't realize is Digg actually had four founders, depending on how you count them. Owen Byrne[0] has as his bio "The person who built digg for $1000 @ $10/hour, lol". Going by that, I don't think he shared in any equity. The whole site was bootstrapped for apparently $6000 total. Peo…

I wasn't a Digg founder, but I worked with them from the earliest days on Digg until its downfall. The real story is probably way more interesting than anyone really would guess. I'll summarise it as so: What made Digg work really was one guy who was a machine. He would vet all the stories, infiltrate all the SEO networks, and basically keep subverting them to keep the Digg front-page usable. Digg had an algorithm, b…

> Google came to buy Digg, but figured out that really it's just a dude who works 22 hours a day that keeps the quality up, and all that talk of an algorithm was smoke and mirrors

I am in shock- amazing story. Thanks for sharing. This thread is blowing my mind.

Was that one dude owen? Lol.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by btreecat »

mvdtnz wrote: post #278
btreecat wrote: post #238

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> IDK how you think this is abusive Let's have a look at some of the adjectives you have used, directed at people in this thread, Noisy nonsensical ridiculous silly a problem ignorant

If the shoe fits buddy.

It's not abusive to call a "squeaky wheel" "noisy" when that's what it is.

When some one is ridiculous, it's fair to point it out, just as you are being nonsensical in this list of examples.

Ignorant means you just don't know. I am plenty ignorant about many things, modding a fairly popular and large sub is just not one of them.

Emotionally charged, sure abusive? lol

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by FeepingCreature »

unsupp0rted wrote: post #51
deergomoo wrote: post #18

Good read. Interesting that the author’s takeaway is that folks consider Digg v4 to be a catastrophic launch because of the myriad technical issues. I don’t even remember there being technical issues, I just remember logging in one day to find a website I enjoyed replaced with a bunch of crap I wasn’t interested in.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

I think this comment thread is hilarious because it's pretty much filled with two groups:

- commenters who are the problem according to the other half

- moderators who are the problem according to the other half.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by nunobrito »

dimgl wrote: post #109
nunobrito wrote: post #80

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Java is just about the only sane language that one should use for complex projects. All phones since the last 30 years (including the famous Nokias) shipped with Java and apps that simply worked. Android is constructed on top of Java. What I build today with pure Java will run in 100 years from today without needing changes. Quite a different scenario for whatever other language that breaks stuff every couple of vers…

> Java is just about the only sane language that one should use for complex projects. Another pretty extreme view... there are plenty languages that can be used for complex projects.

Yeah, not really. Not at all. I've been building critical infrastructure for a few decades now and was all down to Java, C++ or both with some minor languages as support.

Anything else is from startups that grew big and simultaneously polarized about their language decisions. Those decisions are tied to whatever lifestyle or political statement, more than a sane engineering decision that addresses technical debt in the future.

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by unsupp0rted »

FeepingCreature wrote: post #325
unsupp0rted wrote: post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is why I’m excited for the Reddit third party apps change. In a few years nobody will remember that this is what precipitated the fall of Reddit. It’s already turned into an echo-chamber of nonsense, ruled by all-powerful mods to whom every user is a racist transphobe nazi homophobe enemy. Even the smaller subs catch the contagion year over year. I’ve been a Redditor since before the narwhal baconed at midnight.…

I think this comment thread is hilarious because it's pretty much filled with two groups: - commenters who are the problem according to the other half - moderators who are the problem according to the other half.

Well summarized. And to expand, I would complain equally about moderators OR commenters for whom the answer to "this is a comment I disagree with" is "this commenter is obviously an -ist or -ic who must be banned".

Re: Digg's v4 launch: an optimism born of necessity (2018)

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Post by mynameisvlad »

nailer wrote: post #326
mynameisvlad wrote: post #320

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At least you made it clear you don’t read comments before responding to them. Next time, don’t bother replying at all and save everyone the minute.

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Congratulations on doing the bare minimum and still coming to a shit conclusion.

Did you also bother to read your own comments while you were at it? I would have assumed you did but you clearly have shown that comprehension is not in your wheelhouse.

> painting any assessment of Reddit to be a statement that Reddit has a single political opinion, which is a statement that nobody is making

I mean, that's literally what you did, but go off sis.

> I think we both know that Reddit has a certain political viewpoint, so let’s not pretend that we don’t.

Gotta love how you can't even keep your own argument straight, let alone comprehending a basic fact like "millions of people have their own thoughts and opinions on a site"

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