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Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by pas »

meindnoch wrote: post #315
pas wrote: post #309

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the important thing is that it might not be a 'guy'. it would not be surprising that whoever is running the stream has serious internal gender identity conflicts/issues. I have a friend who is going through this. also, ironically, Starbucks makes it a point to ask for your name, or however you want to be called. you can tell them to call you Dark Moon or whatever. and workplace inclusion protips are also exactly abou…

Respecting a person's choice of gender is not the same as respecting their insistence of "identifying" with a non-existent virtual animale waifu character. One is a person born into the weong body, the other is a bunch of pixels. One is in reality, the other is not... It's concerning that this needs to be spelled out.

it's existing on the screen, where you can see it, and where people can interact with it. it has a voice, mannerisms, etc.

it's not that big of a mystery that the new possibilities that have been opened up by this new medium might lead some people to feel they belong more there than in meatspace.

it's seems like the virtual version of putting on a fursuit and going to a con. no one is forced to watch/listen/interact with her, but if they do it seems evident to use the requested pronouns, etc.

(and I'm not talking about this meta-discussion of whether Lina is animated by Marcan, but even in this case, to me it seems common sense courtesy to treat Lina as her; like a character in a book, who might have different intentions than the author.)

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by krainboltgreene »

cultofmetatron wrote: post #301
krainboltgreene wrote: post #186

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Do not come to Elixir. We care about people and intentions, those that don't aren't welcome.

Thats not very welcoming. technology is a tool and we all have the freedom to use it for what we want. as someone who's been part of the elixir community and built his whole startup in elixir, I say if you're interested in building distributed realtime systems, join us. I dont care about your politics. If you want to contribute to the tech, come join us.

> Thats not very welcoming

The best way to create an environment that is actually unwelcoming is to openly invite people who don't care about others.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by hitekker »

kristoff_it wrote: post #192

> Part of me is very disappointed at ThePrimeagen, the Twitch streamer / YouTuber with whom I used to be friendly, for milking those controversies for every view and sub possible. For riling up the masses, adding fuel to the fire, creating the exact opposite of the climate we need to solve these issues. Nobody wants to name the one guy who Secret Hitler'd the keynote, but man let's name call a streamer unaffiliated w…

The rush is revealing. A rush to proclaim their friends are good people, a rush to run away from their friends, a rush to point fingers at people who are not their friends. Finally, rushing into Reddit and HN to damage control over the rush.

Out of all the things that could own a person and ruin their judgement, a toxic programming language committee ought to rank at the bottom.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by mort96 »

wtetzner wrote: post #318
mort96 wrote: post #256

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As I said in https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=mort96#36107457 , I interpreted the statement to be about forks in general, and responded to it as such; and I realize now that I probably misinterpreted the line. I don't know what to do, I wish that comment had more visibility but it's not highly upvoted and I can't amend my original comment. FWIW, the trademark policy was incredibly clear in that it wanted to di…

What happened with the trademark stuff? Has it been resolved? I can only seem to find info about the controversy, and not anything about what happened after.

I believe the only thing that has happened is they've said they'll come back with a new draft at some time in the future. Sage Griffin (communities advocate) tweeted[1] that the current status is that the policy is scrapped in a Twitter conversation, but I don't know if that has been officially communicated anywhere. It feels like it should have been.

[1] https://twitter.com/sgrif/status/1662970726423597057

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by meindnoch »

pas wrote: post #321
meindnoch wrote: post #315

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respecting a person's choice of gender is not the same as respecting their insistence of "identifying" with a non-existent virtual animale waifu character. One is a person born into the weong body, the other is a bunch of pixels. One is in reality, the other is not... It's concerning that this needs to be spelled out.

it's existing on the screen, where you can see it, and where people can interact with it. it has a voice, mannerisms, etc. it's not that big of a mystery that the new possibilities that have been opened up by this new medium might lead some people to feel they belong more there than in meatspace. it's seems like the virtual version of putting on a fursuit and going to a con. no one is forced to watch/listen/interact…

I'm not interacting with him, I was talking about him in a HackerNews comment. And this is not an otaku/furry/animewaifu/whatever forum, where the pecularities of these subcultures are expected to be followed. End of discussion from me.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by cookieperson »

FranksTV wrote: post #217
cookieperson wrote: post #15

Fasterthanlime is something like my spirit animal. Prolific and educational blogs that have challenged my knowledge with whimsy joy and catharsis. Also apparently emotionally intelligent and making the right moves here. Sometimes it's better to drop out and start something new. An unofficial convention would be fantastic. I'm sick of the clout chasing in these niche tech areas, it always drowns out the real passion a…

As it turns out, the qualities and skills that make someone an excellent systems programming language developer are completely orthogonal to the qualities and skills that make someone effective in governing a loose organization made up mostly of volunteers and subject to worldwide scrutiny.

There's a reason why most been around the block companies don't offer people leadership positions to technical experts.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by gaws »

meindnoch wrote: post #86
d3nj4l wrote: post #8

In a way, I find this entire saga incredibly funny. There is so much hand wringing and pearl clutching at something that is supposedly in the shadows - this cabal of four or five people making decisions - that it makes the entire Rust "community" look juvenile. This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers, not about a language whose governance involves multiple major corporations!

>This is the kind of internecine conflict I should see in Anime discord servers Anime/furry culture has a significant overlap with the Rust community as far as I can tell as an outsider. E.g. there was that guy developing a Linux GPU driver for M1 Macs, narrating it with an anime "waifu" avatar and a speech plugin that makes you sound like a little girl from a Japanese cartoon.

> Anime/furry culture has a significant overlap with the Rust community as far as I can tell as an outsider

Just look at the official and unofficial Rust servers on Discord.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by tremon »

stoniejohnson wrote: post #299
adamrezich wrote: post #248

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why? upon what basis could you possibly make this claim?

Humans engage in tribalism and racism regularly. Thus someone might assume something of that sort is at play here, though it might be an unreasonable assumption for reasons x, y, and z.

It takes a low mind to think low.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by stoniejohnson »

tremon wrote: post #328
stoniejohnson wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans engage in tribalism and racism regularly. Thus someone might assume something of that sort is at play here, though it might be an unreasonable assumption for reasons x, y, and z.

It takes a low mind to think low.

I don't appreciate the insult, especially saying I have a "low mind" whatever that means.

I am not racist. I wouldn't wager that this was race related. But I wouldn't say that someone seeing the situation, and then making the assumption that is it is race related, is out of the realm of possibility.

I would think that would be an unfortunate, but frequent, take away if the average person evaluated things at surface level.

You can disagree with me here, maybe with a Gallup poll for example, without insulting me.

Just because this is a sensitive topic doesn't mean you get to throw around insults and look down on another person.

Re: Rust: The wrong people are resigning

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Post by stoniejohnson »

adamrezich wrote: post #313
stoniejohnson wrote: post #299

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Humans engage in tribalism and racism regularly. Thus someone might assume something of that sort is at play here, though it might be an unreasonable assumption for reasons x, y, and z.

shameful

See my response to Tremon but resorting to an ad hominem based on an (incorrect) assumption of how I judged the situation is both rude and a waste of time.
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