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TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I think TikTok could easily make over $10000 a day from its Montana Audience. Although this law likely violates the 1st amendment, perhaps the best course of action is to either ignore Montana or just cut them a check.

per violation per day could probably be interpreted as per user

If it's per user, than that won't be economical for TikTok.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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What VPNs should people in Montana and Utah use? Genuinely wondering the best option.

Mullvad has options to pay by cash, bitcoin, or even a physical gift card, in addition to the usual methods. There are no usernames, everything is tied to a randomly assigned account number. It's also moving many servers to a diskless infrastructure, running off ram and supports wireguard and openvpn.

https://mullvad.net/en/blog/2022/8/1/expanding-diskless-infr...

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Why would you install that app on your personal phone? Even in some misplaced sense of rebellion, you're basically inviting spyware into your life.

Gonna back this up, from the security research I’ve read the app *uploads* over 2gb of data once installed over the course of one month, without any interaction at all from the user.

are you referencing something specific?

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

> side-loading of apps on Android 90%+ users are never going to use apks. If this ban kills the network effect (the R0 of the viral infection), then the last 10% aren't going to last long either.

That's true, but TikTok's primary demographic (teenagers) contains a disproportionate part of the population willing to go to remarkable inconveniences to subvert authority. Alcohol and vapes take substantially more effort for your average high schooler to get their hands on than downloading an APK and pressing "install", yet there's no shortage of drinking and vaping happening.

As long as the overall platform is popular, it won't be surprising to see a lot of kids showing each other how to sideload.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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post #105

Tomorrow's story: "Residents of Montana discover VPNs and how to use them!" Between Utah and Montana the awareness and use of VPNs is rising among the non-security-conscious, and this is a good thing.

So, I avoided VPNs for years because they had no practical benefit. I live in Utah, and I would consider myself very technically adept. Previously, I didn't like "VPNs" because now I'm just routing all my traffic through another untrusted 3rd party. It's like choosing between two evils, would I prefer my ISP knows where I go, or some rando that I also have to pay? Worse, the "rando" (usually) requires a VPN app which…

I generally have the same thought process (rather go through ISP than VPN) but one angle of this thought that I've struggled with is: what makes my ISP any less of a rando than the VPN that I choose? At least I have more choices with my VPN than with my ISP...

...but I still haven't bitten the bullet on a VPN yet.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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As I understand it, nope. States can't negotiate treaties on the US' behalf. Commerce and sanctions would fall under that as I understand it. States also can't regulate interstate trade, which I believe trying to penalize Apple and Google would constitute, since neither has a office in Montana.

Why can California require auto manufacturers to comply with their emissions standards if it is in effect regulating interstate trade?

California doesn't require auto manufacturers to do anything. They require dealers and individuals to only buy cars that meet said emissions standards, on penalty of refusing to allow them to be registered to be driven on the state's roads.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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I wrote up a quick analysis last night here: https://ioc.exchange/@invisv/110387246627189198 Here are the takeaways: * It'd be easy for Apple and Google to prevent downloads of TikTok for most users, which would also include app updates, as they have a significant amount of knowledge of users' locations and could prevent most users in Montana -- even those using a VPN -- from downloading the app or updating it. * It'…

> The one thing the bill banning TikTok doesn't do is the one thing that is desperately needed: actually protect user privacy, by banning the collection, aggregation, sale, and use of fine-grained user data -- by ByteDance, Meta, Google, Apple, Microsoft, Amazon, or any other.

I totally agree it doesn't do that and I want that, but at this point that is a major battle esp with how big tech have embedded themselves into govt.

This is a smaller battle won, and I hope it spreads. There's nothing bad about a multi-pronged approach.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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post #206

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Maybe i am misunderstanding. Are you saying that a CCP controlled social media company is as bad to America as an Elon Musk controlled social media company?

different varieties/severity, neither good - arguably Musk is more directly harmful to Americans than Uyghur genocide, (which most Americans probably aren't even aware of) but it's not really an intelligent comparison and probably results in more distracting infighting than anything

My argument isn't that the Uyghur genocide is harmful to Americans.

My argument is that the regime that is carrying out the genocide is in control of the algorithms for a major social media company.

You perfectly prove my point when you have no problem realizing the impact on Americans control of a social media has in the case of Twitter, but are completely blind to the impact of TikTok.

Re: TikTok is now banned in Montana

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why can California require auto manufacturers to comply with their emissions standards if it is in effect regulating interstate trade?

California doesn't require auto manufacturers to do anything. They require dealers and individuals to only buy cars that meet said emissions standards, on penalty of refusing to allow them to be registered to be driven on the state's roads.

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