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Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Reminds me of SBF calling for crypto regulations while running FTX. Being seen as friendly to regulations is great for optics compared to being belligerently anti-regulation. You can appear responsible and benevolent, and get more opportunity to weaken regulation by controlling more of the narrative. And hey, if you get end up getting some regulatory capture making competition harder, that's a great benefit too. Open…

> get more opportunity to weaken regulation by controlling more of the narrative

You've got it backwards. I bet OpenAI wants those regulations to be as restrictive as possible. They'll just negotiate an exception for themselves. With increased regulation comes an increased initial cost for competitors to get started in the space. They want to lock down their near monopoly as soon as they can.

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I'm sad that we've lost the battle with calling these things AI. LLMs aren't AI, and I don't think they're even a path towards AI.

If LLMs aren't AI nothing else is AI so far either

What exactly does AI mean to you?

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Reminds me of SBF calling for crypto regulations while running FTX. Being seen as friendly to regulations is great for optics compared to being belligerently anti-regulation. You can appear responsible and benevolent, and get more opportunity to weaken regulation by controlling more of the narrative. And hey, if you get end up getting some regulatory capture making competition harder, that's a great benefit too. Open…

FWIW, OpenAI and FTX leadership share the same ideology

Which ideology is that? Only thing I've heard about is "ruthless altruism" or something like that.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I just don't get how the average HN commenter thinks (and gets upvoted) that they know better than e.g. Ilya Sutskever who actually, you know, built the system. I keep reading this "it just predicts words, duh" rhetoric on HN which is not at all believed by people like Ilya or Hinton. Could it be that HN commenters know better than these people?

That is the wrong discussion. What are their regulatory, social, or economic policy credentials?

I'm not suggesting that they have any. I was reacting to srslack above making _technical_ claims why LLMs can't be "generalized and adaptable intelligence" which is not shared by said technical experts.

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Imagine thinking that regression based function approximators are capable of anything other than fitting the data you give it. Then imagine willfully hyping up and scaring people who don't understand, and because it can predict words you take advantage of the human tendency to anthropomorphize, so it follows that it is something capable of generalized and adaptable intelligence. Shame on all of the people involved in…

100% this, I don't get how even on this website people are so clueless. Give them a semi human sounding puppet and they think skynet is coming tomorrow. If we learned anything from the past few months is how gullible people are, wishful thinking is a hell of a drug

People are bored and tired sitting endlessly in front of a screen. Reality implodes (incipient environmental disasters, ongoing wars reawakening geopolitical tectonic plates, internal political strife between polarized fractions, whiplashing financial systems, etc.)

What to do? Why, obviously lets talk about the risks of AGI.

I mean LLM's are an impressive piece of work but the global reaction is basically more a reflection of an unmoored system that floats above and below reality but somehow can't re-establish contact.

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This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

You lost me at "While AI regulation is important" - nope, congress does not need to regulate AI.

> nope, congress does not need to regulate AI.

Not regulating the air quality we breathe for decades turned out amazing for millions of the Americas. Yes, lets do the same with AI! What could possibility go wrong?

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Perhaps the first safety standard OpenAI can implement itself is a warning or blog post or something about how ChatGPT is completely incapable of detecting ChatGPT-written text (there is no reliable method currently; GPTZero is borderline fraud) and often infers that what the user wants to hear is a "Yes, I wrote this", and so it doles out false positives in such situations with alarming frequency.

See: The link titled 'Texas professor fails entire class from graduating- claiming they used ChatGTP (reddit.com)', currently one position above this one on the homepage.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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Is this just to put up a barrier to entry to new entrants in the market so they can have a government enforced monopoly?

Why would OpenAI be worried about new entrants that are almost certainly too small to present a business threat?

What regulation are they proposing that is actually a serious barrier to making a company around AI?

If OpenAI just wants to prevent another OpenAI eating its lunch, the barrier there is raw compute. Companies that can afford that can afford to jump regulatory hurdles.

Re: Sam Altman goes before US Congress to propose licenses for building AI

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This is the message I shared with my senator (edited to remove information which could identify me). I hope others will send similar messages. Dear Senator [X], I am an engineer working for [major employer in the state]. I am extremely concerned about the message that Sam Altman is sharing with the Judiciary committee today. Altman wants to create regulatory roadblocks to developing AI. My company produces AI-enabled…

> regulation should focus on ensuring the safety of AIs once they are ready to be put into widespread use - this would allow companies and individuals to research new AIs freely while still ensuring that AI products are properly reviewed.

While in general I share the view that _research_ should be unencumbered, but deployment should be regulated, I do take issue with your view that safety only matters once they are ready for "widespread use". A tool which is made available in a limited beta can still be harmful, misleading, or too-easily support irresponsible or malicious purposes, and in some cases the harms could be _enabled_ by the fact that the release is limited.

For example, if next month you developed a model that could produce extremely high quality video clips from text and reference images, you did a small, gated beta release with no PR, and one of your beta testers immediately uses it to make e.g. highly realistic revenge porn. Because almost no one is aware of the stunning new quality of outputs produced by your model, most people don't believe the victim when they assert that the footage is fake.

I would suggest that the first non-private (e.g. non-employee) release of a tool should make it subject to regulation. If I open a restaurant, on my first night I'm expected to be in compliance with basic health and safety regulations, no matter how few customers I have. If I design and sell a widget that does X, even for the first one I sell, my understanding is there's an concept of an implied requirement that my widgets must actually be "fit for purpose" for X; I cannot sell a "rain coat" made of gauze which offers no protection from rain, and I cannot sell a "smoke detector" which doesn't effectively detect smoke. Why should low-volume AI/ML products get a pass?

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